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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

The convener is absolutely right that the responsibility to lodge the financial resolution lies with the Scottish Government. I hope that it will be positive in relation to my request. I wrote to the Government last month to request that it lodge a financial resolution. The minister has said on, I think, three different occasions that the response is neutral. If the response is neutral, I would expect it to lodge a financial memorandum, but that is a matter for the Scottish Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

I hope that I have been constructive in my engagement with the Scottish Government, and I will continue to be as constructive as I can. At the end of the day, I want all young people in Scotland to have the opportunity to participate in residential outdoor education, even if they do not all take it up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

I am satisfied that there is a mean average, because we worked out what the cost would be for those taking much longer journeys against those on much shorter journeys. We were quite content with the average, and I think that the Finance and Public Administration Committee was, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

It is a fair question. Whatever model we use, the Government would be responsible for implementing the bill, should it pass. The costs of that provision are in the financial memorandum, and how we would choose to administer it is up for discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

It is a more narrow focus, but that could be said about lots of aspects of education anyway. To answer the question of whether it is too narrow, I do not believe that it is. The residential aspect of outdoor learning is a piece of the jigsaw. I come back to what Greg Mannion said in his evidence, which was that we should provide that opportunity for outdoor learning for all pupils. The residential part of that is a further entitlement. He said that that

“is not a big ask.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 6 November 2024; c 25.]

I chose the residential aspect because of the compelling evidence that we were getting about its benefits. I would like to see that piece of the jigsaw in place to ensure that there is an all-round experience for young people in the outdoors that complements and articulates with the curriculum for excellence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

The bill is built on equity and inclusion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

It must continue. I would be very dissatisfied if the bill were passed and we still excluded some youngsters from such opportunities. That would be no good to me. We must ensure that we are making provision for residential outdoor education for all young people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

Obviously, in some cases, additional support needs require a bigger ratio of staff to individuals. If you watch the video of the youngster who has significant disabilities, you will see that he was on a climbing wall. Instead of just one person being needed to support him there, it took three people, which was absolutely right and proper. There are costs to that, but the smile on that person’s face because he had managed to achieve what he did says it all for me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Liz Smith

Some progress has been made, and I am sure that there could be some more. Is it enough? I do not think so, but that is true for other young people as well. That was the reason for bringing the bill forward in the first place.