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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liz Smith

Is it correct that the Scottish Government is considering non-statutory proposals that cost £8 million and perhaps a little bit more?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liz Smith

That has been suggested, although it has never been formally discussed with me as the member in charge of the bill, but I understand that it is on the public record that the Scottish Government is considering that. Is that the correct total?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liz Smith

The Scottish Government’s policy of inclusion, as I understand it, is that we should be doing everything possible for every young person. How would that fit with a pilot, which would obviously address only one particular area, one particular school or whatever the Government came up with?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

Is anything impeding effective zero-based budgeting in terms of the data that we require to ensure that the effectiveness of policies can be measured? Obviously, the other side of the coin is that, if spending takes place, there is a reduction in spending elsewhere. Do we have the right data to be able to make those assessments? We have had discussions at the committee about the fact that some of the data, particularly on things such as the labour market, is maybe not as good as it should be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

I have a question about fair funding. On Friday, I visited a voluntary group in my area, which argued strongly that, when it comes to getting funding, it is easier to get funding for specific projects than it is to get core funding to support the operation as a whole, which threatens the group’s sustainability and its long-term future. Is that something that the voluntary sector is concerned about across the board?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

Should there be more focus on zero-based budgeting when it comes to addressing what you have just said about the economic impact of specific spends and how they articulate with the Government’s priorities, as you mentioned earlier, not least in terms of the effectiveness of those spends but also the opportunity costs, which you said were very difficult to measure?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

That said, there are aspects of universal provision where money could be saved. To go back to free school meals, this was not part of the cabinet secretary’s evidence, but local authorities will tell you that, because of the number of free school meals that are not actually being used by those who are entitled, there is quite a lot of waste in the system. I would cite that personally as an example of where money could be saved.

The real point is whether the focus on universalism, which might in theory sound helpful, creates problems for the long-term fiscal sustainability of the country. We are surely in a very difficult period for that sustainability. I am just asking whether you think that some aspects of universalism must be reviewed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

Do you share that view, Mr Robinson?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Liz Smith

I have a question about a comment that the cabinet secretary made in her evidence last week at the committee in relation to the free school meals policy. I know that you cannot comment on that specific policy, but she said:

“We will not be able to roll out the universal offer as far as we had perhaps initially wanted to”

because

“we have to prioritise those children who are most in need.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 2 September 2025; c 34.]

Without going into the details about free school meals, do you think that it would be helpful to have a debate about the effectiveness of universalism? To go back to my original questions, that would measure where the policy intention is having the most effect, as the cabinet secretary was implying, and perhaps less effect when it is being given to people who do not require that universal benefit. Would that be helpful?