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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

That is a really good point. I will go away and read that report, now that you have mentioned it. I have made a note of it.

I will play devil’s advocate. The written submission from the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations said that an Awaab’s law for Scotland might be “counterproductive”. The organisation is concerned that it

“could result in landlords and contractors striving to meet targets at the expense of proper diagnosis of the issue and identification of root cause.”

I guess that the SFHA is saying that we could have quick fixes, such as slapping on a coat of paint without finding the cause of the problem. The following panel of witnesses are architects, who will know the details on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

My final question follows up on that. I will bring in Sean Clerkin on this. The law in England says that social landlords must fix damp and mould within a certain period. When we have that law in Scotland, what should the period be?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Ah—so solar thermal is different. I do not think that I have heard of that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

That is really interesting. I will have to do a bit more research into that.

You mentioned ventilation. Obviously, that is important because, with condensation, the water has to go somewhere. You have to get it out of the building. The RIAS submission mentioned some concerns about ventilation in retrofit projects. Gloria, you mentioned retrofitting at the start. In your experience, are you seeing retrofit projects that are not putting in appropriate ventilation? If that is the case, what should we do about that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

I will turn to Awaab’s law. Sean Clerkin has made a couple of lengthy contributions on the matter already. However, I think that it is worth setting out the background. Awaab Ishak from Rochdale, age 2, died in December 2020 after falling ill because he lived in a damp and mouldy home. That is the background to Awaab’s law, which is being introduced in England. It will come into force in October.

Currently, as drafted, the law will apply only to social landlords, but the current United Kingdom Government has said that it wants to extend it to the private rented sector. The Scottish Government, as you have heard already, has said today that it wishes to introduce an amendment or amendments—I do not know whether there will be one or several—to the Housing (Scotland) Bill, which would tackle the problem. I guess that my question is this: when the Government does that, should it be limited to social landlords or should it apply to all landlords?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Aoife—it would be good to hear from you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Peter has probably answered what I was going to ask, which was whether there is a problem with how building design and construction is regulated and managed, not just in Scotland but across the UK. I think that you have answered that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Gloria, you spoke at some length about solar thermal. I think that you are referring to solar panels on the roof. Is that correct?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

I am definitely interested, convener.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

The meeting has been very interesting so far. Before I ask about Awaab’s law, I note that we have had some discussion already about the need to look at buildings as a whole. Shona Gorman mentioned guttering, which sounds dull but is actually not: it is so important. One flat that I rented in Edinburgh was a top-floor flat. I could see the gutters from my window and they were never cleaned, which I knew was just storing up problems.

If I can blow my own trumpet and that of some other MSPs, I note that in the previous session of the Parliament we formed what is still known as the tenement maintenance working group. The idea was that a lot of the problems that we have in flatted properties in Scotland result from their not being properly maintained. We thought then, and still do, that there is an issue around tenement law and that things really need to be done.

We have produced a report. There were recommendations in it—one of which was that there should be regular inspections of properties. The issue is now sitting with the Scottish Law Commission, and we are likely to see proposals from it in the next session of the Parliament.

Shona, perhaps I can come to you because you mentioned gutters. We are not just talking about people in rented properties, are we? We are talking about private homeowners as well, and we need to look at properties in the round.