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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I am a pretty calm guy, believe it or not, but when I was going through all of this, I found myself getting angrier and angrier just reading the various items of expenditure. For example, appendix 3 of the Grant Thornton report sets out

“Sampled expenditure with no itemised receipts”.

That table contains a number of things. Here is a meal, for instance: £566 for “Dinner for four people” at La Garrigue in Edinburgh. The convener has mentioned the dinner at L’escargot Blanc—I do not think that that restaurant exists any more but it can correct me if I am wrong—and there was a meal in Gaucho Edinburgh. There were also costs relating to a Barbados study tour—what was that particular one all about?

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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Are you saying that Ms Quinn is wrong?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Is she right or wrong? Is her version of events accurate?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

There have been a number of internal and external meetings for which you have hired places at various costs. The best value appears to have been when you hired a meeting room from Volunteer Scotland for £66, which included refreshments. That was pretty good, but the costs went up for other meetings. I am not criticising the venues at all—they charge what they charge. The question is why you paid it. Other venues included the InterContinental Edinburgh the George, where meeting room hire, including lunch and refreshments for—oh, it is your friends from New Zealand again—a New Zealand study tour cost £862.40. Why did you pay that sort of amount?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

So you will not need to hire such venues in the future.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

How many KCs are on retainers under the public purse?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I will ask about the PR agency 3x1. Mr Satti, you wrote on 11 June about a “drip drip” of headlines. Did you take on 3x1 to minimise that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I have one more question for now, and there will be others later.

In the same email in which you talk about the “drip drip” of headlines, you say:

“WICS spent on average 1.5% of revenues on training (less than Audit Scotland I believe).”

I think that Mr MacRae referred to that. Do you think that it was appropriate to bring Audit Scotland into that email?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I want to follow up on Jamie Greene’s line of questioning, because there were aspects that, in my view, were not fully answered.

Mr MacRae, Jamie Greene asked whether you accepted, in relation to the letter from Màiri McAllan, that the board failed to follow due process. That is a straight yes or no question. Did you fail to follow due process?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Graham Simpson

No, I am asking you. Did you fail to follow due process?