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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. The convener wants me to ask about specific areas, and I am quite happy to do that.

If we look at payroll, there has been an issue with including—or not including—immigration data. I noted that it had not been included in two years—2018-19 and 2020-21. You had some comments on that. What would be the value of including that sort of data?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

So, that is because of the Home Office.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Audit Scotland has commented previously that immigration data could, for example, help to identify students who are getting funding from the Student Awards Agency for Scotland when they are not entitled to it. That is quite important, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Right. It seems to be really important to have that information. Just to accept the situation—just to accept what the Home Office is saying—is maybe not the right approach. Maybe somebody should be going back to the Home Office to say, “This information is almost vital to this exercise, so could you provide it?” Can you test it again?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

At the least, it could ask.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I am happy to leave it there for now, convener.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I have a couple of questions, convener, if you do not mind.

I just want to get it clear in my head how this operates in practice. You have all these bodies taking part and sharing information about people, but how does it work? Is there a constant sharing of information, with computer systems talking to each other, and then at some point somebody will flash up on a screen as having done something wrong, or are people poring over documents, trying to join dots and pick up fraud?

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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Does anyone get prosecuted as a result of this exercise?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I have to say that that does not sound like very many, given the scale of the exercise.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Before I do so, convener, I would just like to follow up the convener’s line of questioning, which sparked a thought in me. I suppose that it goes back to what I was asking earlier. What is the point of, or—I should say—benefit to a public body of being part of this exercise? What do they get from it?