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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 26 April 2022

Graham Simpson

I am content with all that, but it strikes me that the very fact that the instrument breaches the 28-day rule suggests strongly that it has been rushed through, for the reasons that have been outlined. The instrument involves the use of a new test for rabies, which gives quicker results than the one that has been used traditionally, from which people get the results in two weeks—with the new test, the results come back in two to three days.

I am not sure which committee will be the lead committee but, whichever one it is, it should look at the issue and satisfy itself that the new test is up to the job. I am sure that it is—I have no reason to think otherwise—but the lead committee ought to look at that because, no matter where an animal has come from, we need to ensure that we are safe.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

What was unique about the situation? You have not explained that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

If the shareholder was not putting pressure on you to do it, would it not have been sensible to ask it whether it was happy with what you planned and whether it was content with the current arrangements?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

If the shareholder was not putting pressure on you to do it, why did you do it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Right. So it did not come from the shareholder.

You said earlier—these are your words—that it was a unique situation. There is nothing unique about companies getting into trouble, as you describe it, having to make changes and, potentially, making redundancies. There is absolutely nothing unique in that. The difference with this situation is that any other company would have gone through proper process, so why did you not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I have a final question. Natalie Don asked you whether you would be prepared to accept £5.50 an hour. I do not think that you would be, because I have done a quick calculation based on your basic pay and not bonuses, and you are on a princely £156 an hour. That is pretty good going. How do you think the sacked workers think of you when they look at that rate of pay?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Morning, Mr Hebblethwaite. You mentioned the shareholder quite a bit. Was the shareholder putting pressure on you to do what you did?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

There is nothing unique about that. Many other companies have faced the same position and, to be frank, have taken a more honourable route than you have chosen.

Can I ask you about Grant Shapps? He has written to you, and the deputy convener mentioned earlier that Mr Shapps may be bringing in some law changes. If he does that, how will it affect your business?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

The changes could affect rates of pay. You said earlier that it is not about rates of pay, so presumably you will not be too concerned about that. Is that the case?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Move on, convener.