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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
You have kind of answered a question that occurred to me when you were speaking. Excuse my ignorance, but I was wondering whether parole hearings have been held virtually. It is clear that they have been. In that case, it seems to me that there is no reason whatsoever why victims should not be able to attend for reasons of public safety. With that in mind, I can think of no reason at all why members would not support Jamie Greene’s amendment 1009, which seems eminently sensible.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
I thank Mr Brown and Mr Greene for their comments. Sadly, Mr Brown seems to wish to reject all my amendments in the group—even though they are perfectly reasonable, as he well knows—on the basis that he thinks that they would add delays into the system. However, in the same speech, he noted that Parliament is already considering a protocol to deal more quickly with the affirmative procedure. That stemmed from the work of the DPLR Committee, and we are, indeed, considering the matter.
I will follow up on Mr Greene’s comments. The Parliament has shown that it can act extremely quickly when necessary, so we could and should have an expedited affirmative procedure. It should allow what I suggest in amendment 1025: that ministers come to Parliament to give a statement and that we debate—ministers would have to present evidence—and vote on the matter. That is what we are in Parliament to do. Currently, ministers do not have to do any of that. They can do what they like. No evidence is taken and there is no vote until an instrument is in force.
Through amendment 1025, I am merely trying to correct a parliamentary wrong. I will move that amendment.
With amendment 1024, as I explained earlier, I am saying that we should not be able to use the made affirmative procedure; we should just use the affirmative procedure. I will stick to that.
However, I will give ground, unlike Mr Brown, on amendment 1026, because I accept that applying a blanket one-year sunset clause across the bill might be wrong. Perhaps we should have some flexibility, so I will not move amendment 1026, but I will press the other amendments.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
Will you take an intervention?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
Why did you pick the end date of 31 January 2023 for the first reporting period?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
I have been listening to the debate with great interest. Based on what you have said, I put it to you that, if you were the victim of a crime—I hope that you never are—you would want to know what had happened in that case. If police had arrested somebody, you would want to know that. You would not necessarily need to know their name—in fact, you would not need to know their name—but you would want to know what had happened in that case. Is that not the point of amendment 1040?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
Will the member take another intervention?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
It is.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
Thank you. Let us not personalise it; let us talk not about you, but about general victims of crime.
You made the point that any victim of crime just wants that basic level of information. If I was a victim of a crime, I would want to know what had happened in that case, and I would want the police to tell me what they were doing. If it got further than the police—in this case, we are talking about a fiscal fine—all that people would want to know was what had happened. Surely that is not unreasonable.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2022
Graham Simpson
I will not move amendment 1026. I do not know how long you are planning to continue for, but my work is done after this amendment. If you are continuing, I would be grateful if colleagues would press Mr Whittle’s remaining amendment.
Amendment 1026 not moved.
Amendment 1008 moved—[Keith Brown]—and agreed to.
Schedule, as amended, agreed to.
Section 39 agreed to.
Section 40—Expiry
Amendments 1027 and 1028 not moved.