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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Economic Outlook

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Graham Simpson

I will widen the question for the other two witnesses. How confident are you that the economy in general can recover in the next year to 18 months, say? I will ask Susan Murray that first, and then Emma Congreve. Can you give us any Christmas cheer? Everyone seems to be a bit gloomy at the moment.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

Thank you for agreeing to stay on for a bit.

I want to follow up on the previous line of questioning. The Just Transition Commission said that there should be a skills guarantee for workers in carbon-intensive industries, and I think that you committed to that. Will we be in a position to offer that guarantee? How would it look if there are not the jobs? Maybe there are the jobs but not the people.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

I would like to ask Catriona Laing a question, if that would be okay.

Earlier, you mentioned regulations—I think that that was in relation to buildings. In the previous session of Parliament, I convened the tenement maintenance working group. As you will be aware, there are huge issues with a lot of Scotland’s properties, such as the problems of obtaining agreement from owners to get work done and figuring out how it will be paid for. The working group looked at those areas and produced some recommendations. The matter is now in the hands of the Scottish Law Commission. It will take years to resolve. I would be interested to get a bit more detail on what you are working on.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

Good morning, minister. It is good to see you. I will ask some questions about the Climate Change Committee’s report but, first, I will pick up on something that you mentioned. You said that there would be a specific Grangemouth plan. When are we likely to see that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

I accept that you are not the transport minister—she has my phone number; she can ring me any time; and she knows that I am prepared to work with her on all those matters. My door is open, if hers is.

I know that you are not the transport minister, but your brief covers a lot of areas. If we are to get people away from driving petrol and diesel cars, something else has to be in place. We will have to persuade them to use public transport more and/or use vehicles that are not powered by petrol or diesel, such as electric vehicles.

We are doing quite well with the charging network, but there is a long way to go. At the moment, there are 2,400 charging places, but the aim is to have 30,000 within the next seven years. There is a long, long way to go. As we know, many of those charging points do not work. That unreliability factor is not going to persuade people to switch to electric vehicles. Do you accept that that is a challenge, and do you accept that, despite the progress that we have made, we need to do better on electric vehicles?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

So we will see that along with the other plans, probably by the end of June.

The Climate Change Committee’s report is pretty damning. It has published a table, which is useful, so I will go through it. On transport, the milestone for no new fossil fuel car sales by 2030 is “Slightly off track” and the Scottish Government’s policy of a 20 per cent reduction on 2019 car kilometres by 2030 is “Significantly off track”. On the low-carbon heat milestone, it is “Too early to say” and the energy efficiency milestone is “Significantly off track”. Afforestation is “Slightly off track” and peatland restoration “Significantly off track”. Recycling rates are also “Significantly off track”. If that was a school report for you, minister, you would be kept in after school, would you not?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

I will focus on transport because, as you know, it is the biggest emitter of carbon. The Just Transition Commission has also focused on transport. It says that

“Scotland’s public transport network requires vast improvement and must be made more affordable”

and it talks about ScotRail capacity needing to be expanded, not reduced.

In the report that has come out today, the Climate Change Committee says:

“Plans to decarbonise transport in Scotland are falling behind ... Scotland has a laudable aim to reduce car-kilometres by 20% on 2019 levels ... This is a challenging goal and current plans lack a full strategy”.

There is no strategy and there are no policies in place to achieve that, are there?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Graham Simpson

That is interesting. I would caution against using regulations but, if you use them, they will have to be trailed in advance. When you are, in essence, forcing people to spend money, that is very controversial and difficult to do, if not impossible.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Graham Simpson

Okay. That is fair enough.

I will ask one more question about transport. The report says that the commission thinks that there should be

“an overhaul of regional and local public transport provision and infrastructure”.

Did you go into any detail on that? What did you mean by that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Graham Simpson

I read the section in the report that focuses on the rural parts of Scotland and how poorly served they are in many respects. The report mentions ferry services. Obviously, you have been out to an island. It cannot all be about money, can it? Do you have any thoughts about how we might restructure the transport system? That is a big question, of course.