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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I will jump back to something that the convener touched on earlier. I am keen to know the state of play in the college sector. From a previous evidence session, we know that the Scottish Funding Council keeps a risk register of colleges. Some colleges—about five or six—are colour coded black, because they are most at risk. Is that your understanding?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I wilI rephrase the question, then. Do you think that there are colleges that are at risk of going under or closing?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

The latest figure that I have for your college, which came from 2021, says that you had £1.7 million in your ALF. At that point, my local college, South Lanarkshire, had £3,000. Last year, that college put an extra £0.5 million into its ALF, which makes it a bit of an outlier. Is that something that you have heard of?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Why are individual colleges, such as yours, not keeping a record of your backlog?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Have you asked the SFC to meet?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes, it seems completely ludicrous that the Scottish Funding Council does not have union representation. Those are huge issues to explore, but the Funding Council will be coming in front of us, too.

My next question is for Andy Witty or Derek Smeall. Are courses being cut? If so, how many?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

For two and a half years, you have not met the Scottish Funding Council.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

The register exists. I have not seen it, but we know that it exists. I am thinking about your discussions with your fellow principals, who you represent. When you are in meetings in colleges that are at risk of, let us say, running out of money, do any of those principals put up their hands and say, “Derek, we’re really in trouble here?”

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I think that John Mooney wants to come in.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I know that Stuart Brown wants to come in, but first I want to explore an issue on which he might have something to say. How many job losses are we looking at in the sector? We have heard about a couple of colleges that are cutting staff, but do you see that happening across the board?