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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

That is fine. I am not going to ask you about it.

In these evidence sessions—by the way, I hope that this is our last session with you, and you probably think the same—we have heard about various instances of what I might describe as lavish spending. At the last meeting we asked about the money paid to the KC who was on a retainer. We had a figure of travel and accommodation costs in 2023-24 for this KC of £1,441—it does not sound like a big number, but we asked for a breakdown. We received a breakdown of that from the Auditor General, which was very helpful. Of that, £543 was for two nights’ accommodation in Edinburgh in July 2023—that does sound like a lot—and £384 was for return flights from London to Edinburgh, also in July and for the same trip. I would query that. That is a lot. He obviously did not fly on a budget airline or take the train, which would have been cheaper. There is £514 for a meal in London in October 2023 at a restaurant called Smith & Wollensky—the Auditor General has put “Woltensky”—which seems to be a rather high-end steakhouse; that is £541 for three people, which is £177 each. In a previous meeting, I read out a menu with prices. I am not going to do that now, but I have checked the menu and it would be very easy to rack up such a bill at that restaurant. The question we have asked repeatedly is: is this sort of expenditure is appropriate?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Good. Well, we agree on that. I am going to finish by asking about the area that Colin Beattie was exploring, which is the fundamental question of why we need an economic regulator. I suppose this is a question for you, Mr Brannen and maybe Mr Hinds. If WICS did not exist, would we notice the difference?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Before Mr Hinds comes in, I put it to you that WICS is essentially regulating a Scottish Government body and WICS itself is a Scottish Government body. If we got rid of one level of regulation, Scottish Water could perhaps just report to you as the sponsorship team, and you could regulate it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

What do you think should happen to it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Graham Simpson

One of the assumptions in the business plan is that the yard will remain in public ownership for five years. Is that realistic?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Graham Simpson

But is five years realistic, in your view, or could the period be shorter?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Following one of our previous meetings, there was quite a lot of publicity about the exit packages paid to FMPG employees, each of which has been valued at above the £95,000 threshold set out in the Scottish public finance manual. There were three of those packages in 2023-24, two of which were paid without approval from the Scottish Government. The question for you, Mr Miller, as chair of the board, is this: how could that happen?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Graham Simpson

That was Mr Tydeman.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. So, you will attempt to bring it in by September.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Does anyone know?