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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Are you saying that Neil Gray needs to come back to you by the end of November, say?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

I am sorry—can you say that again?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Let us just drill down into that a bit. Mr Rennick, I think that you said that 84 per cent of eligible children are taking up the 1,140 hours, but earlier you said that 99 per cent are receiving it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

When I asked for the overall figure earlier, you gave a figure of 92,500. Is that the number who are taking the 1,140 hours?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

My questions follow up on the questions about funding. I hope that all of you will have seen the reports based on a survey from the National Day Nurseries Association that was published yesterday. Its members have real concerns about funding.

I think that these questions are probably best directed at COSLA rather than the Scottish Government, but obviously Mr Rennick can come if he wants to. The NDNA is saying that childcare businesses in about a third of councils have started the academic year without knowing how much they are being paid for funded places. Do you accept that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

You do not have the details. Well, let me quote what the study says:

“56 per cent (18 councils) were committed to increasing their funding rates. This ranged from 1.35 per cent uplift in Falkirk to 15.48 per cent in the Shetland Islands.”

The NDNA say that the average increase in hourly rates is just 36 pence an hour for children over three. That is putting their members in a pretty perilous position, because in a good number of council areas, they do not know what they will get.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

So 99 per cent get something but 84 per cent take the full amount.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

It is all right; we can work that out. I have one more question on data. The Auditor General said right at the start of his report:

“The Scottish Government does not know how much has been spent in total by councils on phasing in the additional hours between 2018/19 and 2021/22.”

Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con)

Mr Rennick, you said that the take-up of the 1,140 hours of provision has been high. How many children are getting 1,140 hours?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

The number may have been stable up until now, but clearly there is a warning that it may not be stable in the future and that nurseries could close.