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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I looked at the table that you refer to, which seems to list every college in Scotland. It demonstrates that, sometimes, colleges can make forecasts that do not quite turn out to be accurate at the end of the day. The committee members can look at the report for themselves, but I have had the benefit of seeing it. It is gloomy. On the financial health of the sector, it says:

“Colleges ... operate in an extremely tight fiscal environment”.

It also says:

“The sector is forecasting an … operating deficit”

and that

“The financial position of colleges is deteriorating.”

In the next section, the report goes on to outline the risks to colleges’ financial health. Staff costs are one of those, and that has come out in evidence as a big risk. There is a whole list of risks, so I will not go through them, but the forecast is pretty dire, is it not?

Maybe that is a question for Mr Rennick rather than Karen Watt.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

One section of the report, which we have referred to already, is on staffing. The report says that there is an expected reduction of around 2,300 full-time equivalent staff in the college sector, which is one in five staff. How will colleges be able to continue with that reduced level of staffing?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

You are saying that four colleges have significant issues. I do not want to put words in your mouth but, to summarise, the Government might have to bail them out through the SFC.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

I will follow up on what Sharon Dowey asked about. She covered the NHS England mental health dashboard, which I have had a look at. I am sorry if you feel that it is too bureaucratic, Dr Cook. You can come back in on that, but to me, it provides very useful information. It follows progress, which is what this is all about. That links into what Mr Coffey asked about. It is about following the money and seeing what progress has been made. That is what the dashboard is all about. It used to be called the mental health five-year forward view dashboard, which is a bit of a mouthful. The website, which anyone can look at, says that it

“brings together key data from across mental health services to measure the performance of the NHS”.

Should we not be doing that here?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

I am all in favour of doing things simply, rather than introducing bureaucracy. Are you basically saying that you would like to have a Scottish mental health dashboard? I put that question to Dr Cook and Caroline Lamb.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

From what you have said, that will be possible, but not until after next summer.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

When will it be possible?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

Initially, it will just be for you. You and your colleagues will be able to look at it, but the public will not.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

That is correct. Not everybody could use such a system.

I asked about the Trieste model partly because it sounds like a good one. However, my reasons also go back to the convener’s question about the system being fragmented. I am not sure whether you agreed that the system is fragmented, Caroline, because you said two different things. However, if we accept that we have a fragmented system and that people fall through the cracks, we can see that that leads to the amount of mental health work that the police have to pick up. That is another matter that the committee has been exploring.

You will know, because you have heard it from the police, that the vast majority of their time is taken up dealing with people who have mental health issues. A lot of that time is taken up sitting in hospitals when they could be out on the beat dealing with crime. That is not a good situation. We heard from NHS Lothian that things are a little bit better in its area. That health board has a system in place that helps to prevent police from sitting in hospitals, but that is just NHS Lothian. In other parts of the country, including my area—I represent Central Scotland, which includes Lanarkshire—that system is not in place. In Lanarkshire, we have had situations in which entire shifts of police were sat in accident and emergency. That is ludicrous, is it not? If we had somewhere that police could take some people with mental health issues—not everybody—that would free them up. That has to be better, has it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

Okay. It might be similar.