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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

She might well do that. There are some geographically huge regions, but if we are going to have a system, we just have to work it out. We just have to accept it.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

The person would actually have to be locked up.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I see what you mean. Focusing on recall, I have tried to come up with a fair and proportionate system.

I am racking my brains to think which bit you are referring to that would—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Correct.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I accept that there is a different route in, but you are talking about removing somebody’s livelihood and taking them away from a very important public role. I think that it is fair that whoever that is should be able to make their case to the electorate and say, “I should stay and this is why.” If we do not have a system in which a member can do that, it opens a can of worms, and we might be justified in saying that we should look at whether the constituency members should be removed in a different way. I am trying to create a system that is fair to everyone.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I did not choose that system because the Welsh had not come up with anything when I was looking at my system. When I was asked about that in front of the Senedd committee, I said that if they were going to this entirely list-based system—which is what they have chosen to do in Wales, although why they would want to do so is beyond me—then they could almost design their own, because they would not have to deal with a Westminster first-past-the-post system, which we have here as well, or wrestle with the issues that I have had to wrestle with. They will have only one system. They have one system; we have two systems—that is why I have gone down the road that I have. I would have done the same even if the Welsh had made up their minds before I started working on my bill.

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Correct.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

As I have said, I have tried to work within the electoral system that we have, which says that if a regional MSP resigns or leaves, they are to be replaced by the next person on the list. There is no provision to have a by-election. Therefore, to introduce such a system would be a pretty big move. I am not saying that it is a totally daft idea, but you would be, in effect, almost redoing our electoral system and the rules surrounding it. My bill does not do that—it works within the system that we have.

If we were to introduce the idea of regional by-elections, we would potentially get away from the proportionality of the d’Hondt system, which would be a very big step. We could take it a stage further and ask why, if we should have a by-election for somebody who is recalled, we would not have a by-election for somebody who, for whatever reason—there could be a variety of reasons—resigned. That would be a big move.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I can. It is my view that, if you are elected to this place, it is not unreasonable to expect that you might just occasionally turn up, unless you have a valid reason for not doing so.

I know that we currently have remote working arrangements, but I just do not think that it is acceptable for any member of this Parliament to sit at home and operate remotely for the entire five years of their elected period, and I do not think that the public would think that that was acceptable either. That would not be acceptable in any other workplace, so why should we be any different?

Clearly, as I said earlier, if someone has a good reason why they cannot be in the building, that is fine and we need to respect that—there could be a host of good reasons why people cannot come in. However, if they are physically able to come in, they should.