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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Coffey

On the whole fakery agenda, there are some incredibly good things out there, but there is some really dangerous stuff going on as well. Peter Proud talked in a lighthearted way about talking to himself on Teams—to a faked AI bot—and a much more sinister application of that kind of thing is possible. I was trying to get to the heart of the AI tools themselves. Is it impossible to build in any conscience in AI software models or do we just have to oversee it working in practice and take some steps to try to moderate it or to protect people?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Coffey

What a fantastic conversation we are having this morning. As an old computer scientist and software designer from the 1970s who encountered AI at Strathclyde and wondered what the future would hold, it is with a mixture of wonderment, amazement and horror that I watch what is unfolding. I want to touch base with you and get your views on the ethical side of all this and whether there is any ethical dimension to AI whatsoever.

Peter Proud, you have given us a few examples this morning. One of the things that I have seen more recently on Facebook, which about 3 billion people on the planet use, is that as soon as you do something on there, you are bombarded forever, are you not? If you go to buy a washing machine, you do not get hundreds of salesmen coming to your door five minutes later, but you get bombarded in that way on Facebook. That is a simple example, but it illustrates where there is a lack of control or understanding and where the boundary between support and intrusion can be crossed. How on earth do we begin to build in protections for citizens in the rapid development that we are seeing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Thanks very much for that. How do we ever get to a point where the citizen can shape these tools? My experience is that they do things for you, but they also do a lot of things to you whether you like it or not, such as in the Facebook example, where they bombard you with adverts and so on that you might not like. How do we ever get to a position where a decent, honest citizen can participate in shaping what these models do in the future? That is about building an ethical framework into the mix somehow, but how do we get that replicated in the tools that will be let loose on us in the next five, 10 or 20 years? How do we make sure that that is a key element in the design of AI systems for the future?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Coffey

They want to sell you things.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Peter Proud, will AI models ever have an ethical bone in their virtual bodies?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Many thanks for that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Willie Coffey

Who do you think that consumers expect to make the changes that they are hoping for? Is it you? Is it bodies such as Trading Standards Scotland? Is it MSPs? When people come to my local office and complain about something, their hope is that something will change, because it merits change. Do they look to you to effect change? David, could consumers look at your report when it comes out next month and say, “That’s great—we raised that issue last year and change is afoot”? Is that a reasonable expectation for consumers to have?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Willie Coffey

Good morning. My first question is about your relationships with Citizens Advice Scotland, Advice Direct Scotland and Trading Standards Scotland. I would like to explore how local issues on the ground that are raised by consumers in my constituency and other members’ constituencies reach those organisations and then reach you as the national body. How do you gather in the issues that are raised with you so that you can make recommendations and help to influence change through the Scottish Government and other stakeholders?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Willie Coffey

As you have reported, consumer debt is rising significantly in a range of areas, including local goods and services and energy. Are consumers telling you or anybody else that they need different and better arrangements? If we consider the Consumer Credit Act 1974, the standard 30-day term to pay a bill has not changed for 50 years. David, are consumers telling you, through your engagement with them, that they need better arrangements to help them to manage the debt that they face?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Willie Coffey

You do not control that and we do not control it. We know where it is controlled. Consumers must surely be crying out for that help. Will we see that major issue covered your report when it comes out, even if you only flag it up to try to influence thinking in another place about how society deals with consumer debt and how we can help people to deal with it better?