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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Thank you for that, Leo. Turning to you, Steve Aitken, and the wider issue of the ethical battle, should there be an ethical blanket thrown over the whole AI revolution? Is it possible to do that? Is it always going to be the fight that Leo Fakhrul describes? Can we win that battle, and should we try to win that battle?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Good morning. I will start with Leo Fakhrul. We are always going to need XYNQ because, by the sounds of it, we are always going to need to retaliate against the bad-faith actors. The committee was talking earlier about whether to embed the ethical approach and whether that is possible. I will come to Steve Aitken in a moment to ask more about that.

Leo, without giving any of your secrets away, can you say whether we can successfully do what you are setting out to do? Will we be able to prevent fraud today, although it will reappear in another form tomorrow? Will it be an endless journey for companies such as yours to retaliate against fraud? Is that what we will be seeing now and into the future—a constant fight between good-faith actors and bad-faith actors?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Thanks for that. Dex Hunter-Torricke, how can we throw an ethical blanket around this whole thing? Is it impossible or is it yet still possible? If so, who should do it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Ddraft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Yes, thanks, convener. I wonder if I could reverse the order of my two questions. I have one question on skills and workforce that I want to come to, but first I want to go back to the start to look at consumer participation in this great process.

I will start with Alistair Hill. Do you think that the community at large—consumers at large—are embracing this transition? I do not think that they are in the numbers that we need to see. As colleagues have mentioned, a number of things have to happen to crank it up and make it go faster. One relates to the price of electricity, which is four times the price of gas. If we do not solve that issue, we are going nowhere—we really have to solve that. Also, although the grant and assistance schemes are great, are they enough, in terms of the funding and financial models, to achieve the transition on their own? What are the witnesses’ views on that?

Neil, you mentioned that 87,000 properties need intervention and that that will cost £3 billion. Do we need to do much more to really kick-start things and get the acceleration that we all hope for? I have been hearing this conversation at the committee for a wee while now. I will start with Alistair.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Okay. That is absolutely fascinating. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Yes. For many people, the value is the functionality of the thing. They are not really interested in how it is designed, how it comes together or how powerful it can be as a tool. They just want to be the end user of it. I do not know how representative that is.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Coffey

What I really want to talk about is ethics—it always creeps into the conversation; we get there eventually. How can ethics be embedded at the heart of the AI revolution? Can it or should it be? Perhaps it already is. Earlier, Heather Thomson said—I scribbled it down—that ethics should be embedded in all aspects of AI. How can that be done?

Mark Schaffer, you said in your opening remarks that corporations grabbed the whole agenda and ensconced themselves early on. They were not thinking about ethical standards. They were thinking about profit, control and influence and all the rest of it. Can we truly embed ethics into AI, or must we rely on, for example, governance or regulatory measures in order to throw some kind of protective blanket over it?

I would be pleased to hear your thoughts on how we do that. You started this, Heather, so you can go first. I add that I have never seen an ethical computer algorithm yet.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Should it be more of a voluntary thing, with some sections of society deciding that they will engage in that way, or does there need to be an overarching framework that everyone should observe? You mentioned Grok earlier. Is there an ethical component to Grok?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Steven Grier can have the last word.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Coffey

Will the pupils of the future have their own personalised AI bots that look after their individual educational development journeys?