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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Do you believe that there is sufficient consistency and quality of service across Scotland at the moment?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Those ideas are very much contained in the Feeley report. I hope that, when we hear from the minister, who will give evidence next, he will tell us how they form part of the bill.

I thank the witnesses for their contributions in answering my questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

I will be as quick as I can, convener.

Good morning. The Feeley report has been on the table for nearly two years. Do the witnesses agree with Feeley’s principal recommendation that there should be a national care service?

We will start with Simon Cameron.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

I will ask my second question. Recommendation 20 in Feeley’s report states:

“The National Care Service’s driving focus should be improvements in the consistency, quality and equity of care and support experienced by service users.”

How do we get consistency, which is at the heart of the work that Feeley did, across Scotland if we do not have a national approach? That is one of the main issues that he raised in his recommendations, and I imagine that the bill is trying to solve that. How could we get the consistency that we seek without a national approach?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Tracey Dalling, how can we get consistency if we do not have the national approach that Feeley recommended?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Good morning, minister. I have to give you a chance to respond to the comments of our colleague from Unison who was on the first panel of witnesses. They said that you have your priorities all wrong, that you are creating a billion-pound quango and that you should withdraw your proposals and start again. I will give you an opportunity to respond to that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Willie Coffey

You mentioned vested interests and that, in our evidence sessions, we have hardly heard a single voice from a person who is receiving care or from those with lived experience, which is an omission that we need to look at. Can you assure the committee that, in shaping your bill and its proposals, you engaged with service users, people with lived experience and people who are on the front line of getting and receiving care?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

The previous two panels were at pains to emphasise local variability in delivery of services. We have information and evidence—for example, from the Improvement Service’s local government benchmarking framework—that shows differences not in how services are delivered, but in performance. The idea is that the national care service will improve performance and make it consistent. Why are there such differences? Are they down only to localism, or are there real differences in performance and the level of service that people get across Scotland?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

That was clear, Ewan. Thank you for that.

I have a question for Yvette Burgess. The CCPS submission talks about the importance of flexibility and collaboration at the local level. Other witnesses have talked about that at great length this morning. Are those threatened by the bill or can they be enhanced, retained and protected by it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Willie Coffey

Good morning. That comment brings me to the question that I had in mind for you. Audit Scotland’s “Social care briefing” identified a number of issues, most of which require urgent attention. How do those sit alongside the plans to introduce a national care service? Can they run in parallel? Clearly, the national care service will be a longer-term change, but you identified in the report that some urgent action is required. Will you expand on your concerns relating to tackling the urgent and pressing needs?