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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Willie Coffey

Good morning. Jim Gallagher mentioned the McIntosh commission. I have a copy of the report here, and I want to explore some of your memories of it and how relevant its messages are to what we see now.

I jotted down your opening remarks about the Verity house agreement being full of warm platitudes and having no mechanism for choices and said why would anyone not agree with all that general stuff in the agreement.

I found a wee quote from Jean McFadden about McIntosh in 1999. She said:

“The recommendations in the first part of the Report are fairly bland and will broadly be welcomed by local government. Whether the proposal will work will depend very much on the philosophies and personalities of the Scottish Ministers”

and so on. You could almost read that as applying to today, given what you said a moment ago. What is your view about the McIntosh report, which was an important document in 1999, and what has happened since then? Did we basically succeed in taking forward McIntosh’s recommendations and proposals? Do you see some of the same issues needing to be resolved in the Verity house agreement as McIntosh talked about back then?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Willie Coffey

Professor Hall, do you have any thoughts on the journey from McIntosh to Verity house?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Willie Coffey

My second question is aimed more at Jonathan Carr-West. When you came to the Scotland’s Futures Forum event in May, you told us that local government finances had reached a crisis point in England, although you said that they had not reached that point yet in Scotland. Given that it is budget day in Scotland, have you changed your opinion in recent days, weeks or months? What is your view on the situation with Scottish local government finances today?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Willie Coffey

Thank you all very much for your responses to those questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Willie Coffey

You are confident that you will not lose the intention to fund certain initiatives, but you might have to slow them down.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Willie Coffey

That is good to hear.

To turn to our third sector colleagues, the committee has had many round tables, and we always hear pleas about sustained funding for three or five years. SAMH was no different in calling for a shift to a five-year statutory minimum contract length. Caroline Lamb, how confident are you that we can get to such a place? Year in, year out, the committee hears pleas for funding to be sustained for three or five years. Are we able to get anywhere near to doing that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Willie Coffey

The convener led on some finance-related questions that I was hoping to touch on, but I would like to return there. The Public Audit Committee is interested in following the public pound. Caroline Lamb, you mentioned the £1.3 billion investment in mental health services. The Auditor General’s report clearly shows that there has been a significant increase in funding for the directorate in recent years but, as the convener mentioned, there have been cuts to various parts of the service. What impact does that ebb and flow of being allocated more money and then facing cuts have on you in delivering those services? Does it mean that you have to delay things? Do you have to cancel work? What are the real impacts, and what are the effects of the spending changes?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Willie Coffey

You mentioned the distress brief intervention programme, as did the Auditor General in his report. Will you tell us a wee bit more about that? Is there a concern that we have removed dedicated funding for that, or is it continuing? Are the recommendations from the DBI programme being taken forward?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Willie Coffey

Do you give three-year indications of funding? Do you try to do that and then have to pull back?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Willie Coffey

We hope to get there one day, convener, on what is a big and important issue.

Caroline Lamb, an issue that came up in our discussions was how to demonstrate positive outcomes and benefits from our significant investment. Good examples are in the Auditor General’s report and were heard during our round-table sessions. How do we capture a bit more of that? It is easy to focus on the problems—funding variations and so on—but how do we capture those positive benefits in the area of adult mental health?