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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

No; take your time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Brilliant—thank you so much, Sandra. That was really good. If we were to stop now and do nothing more on the petition, you should know that you have already achieved a significant raising of awareness in this place and probably further afield. I thank you for that, because it is really important.

We will now go round the committee and ask a few questions. I will start. The petition talks specifically about the use of Makaton in the legal system. I wonder whether you might want to talk a little about that and about whether, if we are going to look at this issue, we should look more widely than the legal system. We are the civil justice committee, but we are also the equalities and human rights committee, so we span all those areas.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Brilliant—we will keep the petition open, write to the Government and decide in a future work programme discussion how we will take the matter forward. I thank Sandra and David again. We will now move into private session.

12:26 Meeting continued in private until 13:05.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you very much, minister.

There are no questions or comments, so we will move straight on to agenda item 2. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-06777.

Motion moved,

That the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee recommends that the Legal Aid and Advice and Assistance (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2023 be approved.—[Elena Whitham.]

Motion agreed to.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you very much. That was a really good summary of the issues.

The committee members were unanimous in their view that the law needed to change when we took evidence. We were keen to do something that Richy Edwards mentioned, which was to make sure that, as we went through the parliamentary process, we did not retraumatise people who gave evidence or even folk who were watching the committee. That was a really important point that you raised, Richy.

Do you think that we have managed to work out a way of doing that? We have heard from the bill team that it felt like progress had been made in doing the bill a little bit differently, but it would be good to hear from Richy Edwards, and anybody else, on that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Take your time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I suppose one of the questions is how often people who communicate using Makaton will come across people in the legal system and elsewhere who can understand them and communicate back in Makaton. We may want to look at that to ensure that, whatever information people have, or even if they sign, “I want a glass of water before I go any further”, they can communicate that, be understood and get a response.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

That is a good point, and that was a helpful intervention, David.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

A huge thank you to Sandra and David, who have raised a huge number of issues, some of which I do not think we were expecting. I had an expectation about where our discussion would go, but they have raised more issues for us to consider. As Maggie Chapman suggested, we will want to take a bit of time to do that and work out our approach.

I suggest to members that, for now, we make a formal decision to keep the petition open and write to the Scottish Government for its initial thoughts on the evidence that Sandra and David have presented today. Are members agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. I say a huge thank you to all three of you for a really interesting session. We move into private session to discuss the remaining items on our agenda.

11:11 Meeting continued in private until 11:38.