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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

That is what I want to move on to. This is probably more for Miriam Craven. The people who are accessing ADP—and those who are not but who should be—are also accessing a number of other benefits and interventions. The Auditor General suggests that maybe the system is fragmented and that we have not managed to embed ADP within the wider system. There is no connection to housing, health and employment. It is good to hear how we are doing that.

Miriam mentioned the “Disability Equality Plan”, but I do not think that that includes ADP. I might be wrong about that, but if it does not, when will we bring those things together? We cannot look at all these things in isolation, because people do not access just one part of the system; they have lives that are more rounded. How are we pulling all that together?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Sue Webber’s point about the eye operation was pertinent, but I am not aware that such advice is in statute. My question is this: why do we need to put something into statute, via this particular bill, when it happens routinely in other areas without being in statute? The issue is what should be in statute, what should be in regulations and what should be part of training, and those are different things. Putting everything into statute is not necessarily the best idea, particularly given that techniques change and things advance. Is there any suggestion that such a process is in statute for anything else?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Yes. Thank you for taking an intervention. We have seen examples from other parts of the world where individual choice is effectively removed. My concern is that we are joining dots and assuming that a set of circumstances will come about if we do not have an institutional opt-out. I just feel as though there are dots being joined ahead—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Will you take an intervention?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I am trying to understand the point. You made the point that the Salvation Army is an organisation, and part of that involves, in effect, providing people’s homes. Are you saying that, when someone is dying in their own home, they should not be allowed to access the provisions of this legislation if they qualify and wish to do so? Should the Salvation Army be allowed to block people from carrying out, in their own homes, a decision that they have made? Or any other organisation? You mentioned the Salvation Army but it is obviously much wider than that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I am very sympathetic to what the member is trying to achieve in these amendments, but, given the way in which they are worded, it seems like the directive is less a voluntary thing and more something that has to be done. The amendments seem to be saying, “You must have an advance care directive,” whereas I believe very much that it should be a matter of patient choice. My concern is that, if patients do not want an advance care directive, they should not have to have one. I think that you said that that was your intention, so I wonder whether it would be better if the wording could be finessed and the amendment brought back at stage 3, in order to make it clear that the provision is not saying, “You must have this in order to proceed.”

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

That is nonsense.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Before I ask my questions on resources, I want to pick up on a point that was made during the contribution from my colleague Graham Simpson. He was talking about the complexity of understanding whether the Promise is being delivered. He also read the quote about the urgency of the lived experience, which made me think that it is difficult to know when we have got this right, but it is absolutely clear when we have got it wrong, isn’t it?

When a care-experienced person’s journey is not what it should be, are we putting the urgency on that to, first of all, fix that for that person in the context of the Promise? Are we looking at how we make sure that it does not happen to someone else? When I have come across a care-experienced person who has not had a great journey, the first thing that I have said to them is, “Thank you so much for speaking up, because it is not just about you; it is about all the other folk who are likely to be experiencing it because the system is not working as it should.” Have we managed to join those dots?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Where you see good practice, is that being shared? Are other areas looking at that, or are they saying, “That is Glasgow, so we are not going to do that”? Have they managed to break that down to put the folk that this is about at the heart of decision making?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you. I think that other colleagues have more questions in this area, so I will leave it open.