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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2025 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. We have received no apologies. Collette Stevenson and Marie McNair are joining us online. Because the convener is appearing online, she has asked that I step in and chair this morning’s meeting, just for practicality. I am happy to do so.

Under our first item of business, do members agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Bob Doris

That was helpful. If, after this session, you think of other examples that you want to give us, just drop the clerking team a line. That would be very helpful.

I also note—I make this as a rhetorical point, just so that it is on the public record—that, in my experience, mobile phone contracts and TV and broadband packages appear to be designed so that it is easy to step up a package but incredibly difficult to step it down again, so people can be trapped into unhealthy and unaffordable packages. I see nodding heads from the witnesses. I wanted that to be captured in the Official Report, but I do not want to set up a whole line of conversation about it, because of the time constraints. I also point out that we will be asking about what your organisations and others do to assist people, so I must ask you to keep your powder dry on that stuff until I bring in other members to ask about it.

Members have a couple of brief supplementary questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Bob Doris

I think that Liz Smith will be exploring that later, when we come on to theme 3.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Bob Doris

We all know from our constituencies the CAB network’s wealth of information and experience, so thank you for that offer.

I will bring in Marie McNair on the next theme. Thank you for your patience.

10:00  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Bob Doris

I apologise for cutting across you, convener. Jillian Matthew wants to come in, and then we can move on, if that is okay.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Bob Doris

The cabinet secretary has answered much of what I was going to ask, but I will nudge her a little bit more in relation to potential future reforms of carers payments.

I was encouraged to hear, cabinet secretary, that you are thinking about making changes in relation to multiple carer roles and the carers allowance supplement. You also mentioned bereavement and the rolling on of benefits and support, which is really good.

I turn to my substantive question. Given that the carers support payment has been live since November 2023, how has the Scottish Government worked with those who receive the new benefit to tease out what future changes might look like? It would be helpful if you could say a little more about how you have done that.

As well as asking that question, I want to nudge a little bit more. I understand that eligibility is a binary choice and that people are either below the threshold or the payment is cut off completely if they are above it. Given the issue’s complexity, tapering might be a real challenge, including financially. How has the lived experience of those who have received the payment since November 2023 featured in your considerations, and has the Scottish Government undertaken further work in that area?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Bob Doris

I have no further questions. Having looked at the issue this morning, I welcome anything that the Scottish Government can do to improve the experience of those who face net earnings fluctuation and uncertainty. It is good to hear that such work is on-going.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Bob Doris

I have a brief question, cabinet secretary. Mr Balfour mentioned the Scottish Fiscal Commission, which gave evidence to the committee not long ago. I asked it what forecasting work it might do on suggested changes at UK level in relation to reserved benefits or, indeed, to benefits with a devolved aspect that would have Barnett consequentials if changes were made at UK level. The SFC said that it is very much tasked with forecasting with regard to the policy decisions of the Scottish Government.

However, you said earlier that the SFC also looks at what is happening across the UK and the potential impact on Scotland, although it looks only at what has been decided at a UK level, not at what has been mooted by the UK Government. Should the SFC’s role be expanded for the purposes of preparedness, if you like, so that, if the UK Government implements one of its mooted cuts to UK welfare benefits, whether reserved or devolved, the Scottish Government will have at its disposal relatively quickly facts, figures and statistics on what the impact on Scotland might be? That would help it to decide what actions and policy decisions it might take.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. Thank you.