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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

There being no further questions—

Bear with me a second. I will just check whether this is a new agenda item. I nearly stayed in the previous agenda item, cabinet secretary.

There being no further questions, we move to the next item, which is formal consideration of the motion. I invite the cabinet secretary to move the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommends that the Disability Assistance (Scottish Adult Disability Living Allowance) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Shirley-Anne Somerville]

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Item 6 is consideration of two pieces of subordinate legislation. The first is a Scottish statutory instrument on council tax reduction. It is subject to the negative procedure. The main purpose of the instrument is to update the Council Tax Reduction (State Pension Credit) (Scotland) Regulations of 2012 and 2021.

There being no comments, I ask members whether they are content to note the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

We move to item 7, so we will continue in private.

10:33 Meeting continued in private until 10:43.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you for those comments. It might sound as if I am pushing one specific compliance fine, but I refer back to Sarah-Jane Laing’s initial positive comments on the power of a land management plan, and I associate myself with the comments of Mr Bean.

The deputy convener talked about whether compliance should relate to the terms of the land management plan or just to the production of the plan. Sarah-Jane Laing talked about the fact that it would not be a statutory obligation to adhere to every aspect of a land management plan. If it can be proven—of course, it is about how you prove it—that the landowner has not acted in good faith to attempt to implement the provisions of a plan to the best of their ability, should that be a compliance issue?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

That is quite helpful. I do not want to misinterpret what you are saying. Rather than there being a statutory duty on the landowner to deliver everything in the land management plan, you seem to be saying that, if reasonable, good-faith efforts have not been made to deliver the contents of such a plan, that should be a compliance issue. Have I interpreted that correctly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

I have a final question and will go to Gemma Cooper first. If you have any reflections on my previous question, please feel free to share them, Gemma.

Who reports compliance issues or breaches of the land management plan? The bill as it stands is relatively restrictive, in that only certain groups are able to do that. Of course, there is a balance to be struck between the obvious bodies that could report on a potential breach or lack of compliance versus what could be malicious reporting.

I will not come back in after this, convener.

Irrespective of who can or cannot report on compliance or on breaches, should the commissioner be able to undertake proactive work on a small scale in order to see what is happening with land management plans, so that we are not reliant on issues being reported?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

There may be and there may not—we have looked at cross-compliance previously, but it is still not clear whether there will be cross-compliance. At face value, if it costs up to £20,000 to produce a plan and the fine for not producing one is £5,000, there seems to be an incentive either to not produce a plan or to produce one that is pretty threadbare. Do you not see any case for increasing the maximum fine from £5,000?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, convener. I apologise for attending the meeting remotely. I have been following the evidence with interest. I hope that the requirement for a break after my line of questioning is not a reflection on me, but there we have it.

To return briefly to the 3,000 hectare threshold, I said last week to witnesses that that is just a number to many people—certainly to someone based in Maryhill, as I am.

Glasgow’s botanic gardens and grounds sit in my constituency—in part, anyway—and they would fit 150 times into 3,000 hectares. It would seem remarkable that, if the gardens fitted only 149 times into 3,000 hectares, they would not be required to have a land management plan. Given that comparison, which I made to make the number real, does Mr Bean have any further reflections? How much more, or how much less, than 3,000 hectares should the threshold be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

That is really helpful. David Bean, do you have anything to add?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Bob Doris

So, a proactive approach would be helpful?