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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee in 2024. We have received apologies from Katy Clark. Marie McNair and Collette Stevenson join us online. I welcome Gordon MacDonald back to the committee, replacing Kevin Stewart, whom I thank for his valued contribution to the committee during the time that he was on it.

Our first agenda item is a declaration of interests. Gordon, as a new member of the committee, do you have any relevant interests to declare?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, Gordon. That is now on the record.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Our next agenda item is the first evidence session on post-legislative scrutiny of the Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017. The committee has already done some scrutiny work on child poverty, including inquiries into the impact of the Scottish child payment and efforts to increase earnings from parental employment.

This inquiry adds to that work by considering the impact of having a legislative framework in the act that underpins policies.

Today, we will hear from a panel of witnesses focusing on the impact of the act on local policy and delivery. I welcome the witnesses, who are attending remotely: Evan Beswick, who is the chief officer at Argyll and Bute health and social care partnership; Sally Buchanan, who is the library services and fairer Falkirk manager at Falkirk Council; Martin Booth, who is the executive director of finance at Glasgow City Council; and Peter Kelly, who is the chief executive of the Poverty Alliance. I thank all four of you for joining us; your support is appreciated.

We have received apologies from Charlotte Cuddihy from NHS Lothian, who unfortunately is unable to attend the meeting this morning.

I will mention a few housekeeping rules before we start the formal evidence session. I ask those giving evidence to wait until I say—or another member asking a question says—your name before you speak. Please allow our broadcasting colleagues a few seconds to turn on your microphone, as a small pause before speaking is desirable. Please also type “R” in the chat box if you wish to come in. Be a little patient, because the clerks will pass me the information—I will not see the chat box myself.

I ask everyone—I include myself in this—to keep questions and answers as concise as possible. The first question is from Collette Stevenson.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, Collette. I call Liz Smith.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Martin Booth wants to comment.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Nobody else has indicated that they want to come in at the moment.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Evan Beswick has indicated that he would like to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

I will ask Martin Booth a brief supplementary question. I am interested in what you said about having a very committed team that has had success on the ground, but the data then having gone in a different direction because the team is blown off course by other factors. Before I ask my question, which is about the UK Government, I make it clear that there is a shared responsibility, and that the Scottish Government has to do more, too.

Glasgow City Council operates the private rented sector hub, and a reported 1,400 families affected by the benefit cap were supported by it between 2019 and June 2023 to help them to sustain tenancies or move into sustainable housing options. Factors such as the local housing allowance freeze and other benefits issues can impact success on the ground. How do you report that? I know that Glasgow City Council does not want to make excuses, but I want to quantify how much more you could have done had all things been equal, and had you not been blown off course because of either Scottish or UK policy decisions. How do you factor that into the work of Glasgow City Council?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

Collette Stevenson, do you want to add anything?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Bob Doris

That completes our evidence session. The clerks will be happy that we almost got through on time. I thank all our witnesses for joining us. That felt like a discussion, rather than an evidence session, and it was really useful. Thank you for your efforts in helping us with our post-legislative scrutiny—it is very much appreciated.

Next week, the committee will take evidence from organisations that campaigned for the 2017 act and some oversight bodies.

I briefly suspend the meeting to set up for the next item of business.

10:09 Meeting suspended.  

10:14 On resuming—