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It is for anyone, because I will not get back in. It is an opportunity for any other organisation to come back in and to say something that will go into the Official Report. If no one wants to speak, that is fine.

That is helpful, because I think that the intention of the bill is that you look ahead.

Pat Togher, could you please answer both questions from an integration joint board point of view?

I know that there is a time constraint, but I will check one thing and ask that you answer briefly, although that might be difficult to do. What difference would the ask and act duty make to the best practice that you are sharing with us? Will it relate to housing associations themselves or to their relationship with other public bodies?

That is helpful. Before I bring Heather McCluskey in, I will throw in my next question, too, because of the time constraints. It would be helpful if you could reflect on this as well, and we would like to hear anything more that you have to say on the relevant bodies for the ask and act duty. How do we make sure that the enforcement and accountability framework is meaningful and substantive but not overly bureaucratic? I throw that in at the end, Heather. We might get very similar views on the bodies from all the witnesses.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for supporting our evidence taking on the bill. I will start with large-scale landholdings and land management plans. Last week, I noted to the Scottish Land Commission that its recommendation was for land management plans to start at 1,000 hectares, with 3,000 hectares being at the upper end of where it might start. The Scottish Government has gone for 3,000 hectares. As a city boy, I do not really know what a hectare is, but 3,000 hectares is 30 million square metres, which seems quite big: several thousand football pitches—Euro 2024 is on at the moment. Is 3,000 hectares maybe a wee bit high for starting with land management plans? I would like an initial view from each witness.

Thank you. My question was just to get on record an initial viewpoint from witnesses. We will move on to other related questions.

To a lot of people who are watching this session, 3,000 hectares will just be a random number; 4,000 or 5,000 football pitches is a meaningful amount, and 30 million square metres signifies a lot to people.

I am not even saying what my view is, Mr Macleod—it is just a wee starter for 10, if you like. Is it too high, too low or about right?

Likewise—that is why I am trying to elicit evidence from people with expertise in order to work out how I feel about it.

Does Gail Watt want to come in?

So there is consistency in that respect.

Do you think that it provides a strong enough incentive to comply? Are there any affordability concerns?