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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

Could the bill be a vehicle for that? I suppose that it could be. However, there are tenants out there who have rights that date back to the 2003 act, and 10 years on from now, in 2034, there could be tenants out there who will have been farming land for 30 years. Another committee in 10 years’ time might think that they should have the protection of full resumption rights. Do you have any reflections on that, Hamish?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

I want to look at the issue of resumption, which, according to my notes, is one of the bill’s more contested aspects. We will find out in this morning’s evidence taking.

Mr Hall, I think that I saw that you were the national president of the Central Association of Agricultural Valuers, which thought that it was about time that compensation rights under resumption were reviewed. Perhaps, Mr Hall, you could say a little more about whether it is right in principle to review some of that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

All witnesses are nodding their heads, I think. Mr Wood, are you nodding your head?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

At this point, let us move on. I think that Hamish Lean, Martin Hall and Tom Oates were nodding their heads on that point.

I will bring in Andrew Wood first. I think that we have moved on to whether notice-to-quit arrangements should be included in the bill. So far, the witnesses have said that the bill should not include notice-to-quit arrangements. That brings us to where we are in the line of questioning, Mr Wood. What comments would you like to make?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

Before I bring in Mr Oates, I should say that your answers have helpfully overlapped with all the other questions that I want to ask on this issue.

You said that the issue needs to be reviewed, but I think that your point was that the time is right to look not at fixed-term tenancies but at compensation for resumption in general, because things have moved on. I will not just regurgitate the model that I have in my briefing notes, as it gets quite complex, but you have said that there should be a review. Are you willing to put on record how you think that things should change?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

I will be incredibly brief, convener, because I was not intending to ask any questions this morning—I am just here to listen. However, I need to know more about your role as a regulator in general.

In many of your answers, you have effectively said, “These are the operational matters, and here is the fact of the matter in terms of operational matters”, and you have not strayed into policy matters. The deputy convener had quite an extensive exchange with you, and I think that members were trying to tease out how your operational experience informs Government as to how it might change its policy as a consequence of that. Members were trying to bring out some of that contrast, but I do not think that we have ever seen such a passive position from a regulator at committee.

I went and looked at the consultation responses in relation to the changed call-in procedures. A majority were in favour of the change, and a substantial minority were not in favour, so there was a finely balanced decision for Government to make. SEPA must surely have had a role in some of that, but I do not think that we are any the wiser as to what SEPA’s role was in relation to any of that.

More generally, in relation to these regulations, what has SEPA’s role been? After listening to this evidence session, I am completely unclear.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

I think that Mr Wood was nodding his head at that, which should be captured on the record.

I am nearly finished with this section, but I just want to mop up the witnesses’ different views. I think that we have to reflect very carefully on what is quite a complex area in the legislation. Mr Oates said that agricultural value only should be compensated for in relation to resumption rights. I think that Mr Wood was nodding his head at that—[Interruption.] Oh, right, he was not. In that case, I will bring in Mr Wood, and if there are any other views, it would be helpful to hear them

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

That is helpful. If the convener permits, I would like to hear from Andrew Wood.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

You have almost pre-empted my second question. We will come back to that point so that you can put it more clearly on the record.

Hamish, I think that you had some concerns about some of this stuff. Do you want to say a little bit more about that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Bob Doris

The bill does not suggest that.