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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

You are just going to check whether that was within the flexibility in the margins.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

I would like to know where the restrictions are and where the ship can now be used. Are there more limitations on those vessels because of the current specifications, rather than the specifications that were set in the original contract? I am happy to get those details in writing but, ultimately, that is just numbers, and numbers alone are meaningless. What is meaningful is whether or not those two vessels can now technically do less if, at some point in the future, they were to be redeployed elsewhere to do other tasks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful, but I ask you to reflect on the basic point that I am making. Unless this is their bread and butter or their business, anyone listening to this meeting just wants to know whether the two vessels will be less effective on their current routes. We have a clear expectation that that will not be the case and that they will do exactly as was always intended, but they could be redeployed for other purposes within the fleet at some point in the future. Are there more restrictions on what they can or cannot do because of the variation in specifications?

Mr Hobbs said that there will technically be two fewer articulated lorries. That explanation becomes meaningful to someone, rather than the numbers that are flying about. It would be helpful if, either here this morning or in writing, we could get a meaningful explanation on that because, quite frankly, most people are just hearing gobbledygook. That would be helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. I do not want to pursue that any further other than to ask a more general question, which is not related to dead weight. After signing contracts for vessels to be delivered, is it normal or routine that those who win those contracts will, at some point during the construction phase, approach their partner and say, “We believe that there is a case for a contract specification variation,” and then seek agreement with those who have given them the contract in the first place? Is that unusual or is it routine?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

Can you say a bit more about when that has happened in the past?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

That is good to hear, and that is not lost on me. I had supplementary questions because we just had numbers flying about, which became meaningless to me, quite frankly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

What is the ITT? As it is the first time you have used the term, could you—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

That is context, because, although we may not have known the acronyms, we kind of knew the amount. It is more about how price, quality and other criteria are considered once those bids are finalised and put in for consideration.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Bob Doris

I will be careful with my next question on quality, because every bidder must be dealt with consistently and equitably as part of the process.

In relation to quality, a bid on paper can be very different from what is delivered in the shipyard. In relation to the demand to build, is phase 1 of the small vessels programme more straightforward, given the other questions that we have been asking about other ships under contract? Does the track record of individual shipyards in delivering such vessels in the past come into play when determining who wins an award? Also, how can you compare the bidders when two of the bidders have never bid for work with you guys before—so they are new entrants from your point of view—while the other four bidders have an on-going relationship with you?

How do you balance the quality on paper with what the quality will be on delivery? Anyone can put on paper that the vessel or vessels will be good quality, but it is delivery that counts, within the cost envelope. How do you disaggregate that when determining quality?