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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Okay. Thank you.

Paragraphs 34 and 35 are particularly interesting. The first bullet point in paragraph 34 states:

“Other directorates in the Scottish Government or councils will also decide where to locate services such as hospitals and schools which will affect the extent to which people need to travel.”

Paragraph 35 states that

“Councils have requested further guidance and support from the Scottish Government”

and so on. What type of guidance are they asking for? I have a particular question on this issue, but I am keen to understand that first.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Okay.

Paragraph 27 on page 16 of the report states:

“Recent policy decisions suggest that the Scottish Government has deprioritised the target in the face of growing financial pressures, for example the peak fares reversal ... and reducing funding for active travel.”

That is just an opinion from you. Do you have anything to fully back that up?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is a valid area, with a variety of elements, to look at. It is not just about the charging points and vehicles, which are not cheap. The higher-range electric vehicles are certainly more reliable compared with those at the lower range.

On the economic perspective, I refer to a report that was published earlier this month by the Loughborough centre for research in public policy, which highlighted that 24 million people in the UK are below socially unacceptable living standards. The economic challenge of purchasing an electric vehicle prohibits people who want to do the right thing from doing so.

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a range of questions on things that are dotted throughout the report. Before I get into them, I want to follow on from Colin Beattie’s questions about the additional information that is to be sent to the committee. Can that be put alongside the report on the Audit Scotland website to help to provide background?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I genuinely think that paragraph 35 is a cop-out, to be honest. There are some urban authorities that will have rural parts to them, but I accept the point about more solely rural local authority areas. Once again, however, I think of my constituency, and an area that has been suggested for a housing development. It is equidistant between two train stations, and it is just off a trunk road. The only way to get to any of the train stations will be to drive.

Active travel routes can be put in, but in my area, it rains quite a lot, so they will not be used a great deal. The only way to get to somewhere is to get on to a trunk road that is already congested at peak times. Despite folk highlighting concerns, however, the measures are still being progressed.

That is what has been going on from a planning perspective. Councils do not need any additional guidance on planning—they know their area better than any Government of any colour or stripe would do. For me, paragraph 35 of the report really is a cop-out, when I consider what is going on in my patch.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a 20-minute neighbourhoods example, but I will not go into it today, because I can talk to you about it another time.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Sure. With regard to paragraph 45 of the report, and the “detailed analysis”, do you have any indication of the cost of the reports involved in that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

There is an excellent story to tell. I only found out a few weeks ago about what ScotRail offers, because I was dealing with it on behalf of a constituent. I put the point to ScotRail that it needs to tell more people about its openness and its offer to help people. ScotRail told me that, as a consequence of that offer, more people with disabilities are travelling on the rail network as opposed to sitting at home and doing nothing.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

That ties into paragraph 14, which is on page 11, and exhibit 8, which is on page 37, with regard to areas that are outwith the Scottish Parliament’s powers. A potential suggestion is—dare I say it—to reduce fuel duty, which would impact on bus travel overall. Paragraph 67 mentions bus operators cancelling services and the many challenges that they face. If bus travel was cheaper, more people would certainly be aided and encouraged to use that form of transport. Surely a discussion could be had about passing on a reduction in fuel duty to bus operators in order to reduce the cost of tickets.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 16 covers an issue that has been under discussion for some time. I always read Audit Scotland’s overarching reports through the prism of how it will affect my Greenock and Inverclyde constituency. There has been past dialogue about a Glasgow airport rail link, and now there is discussion about a metro scheme, but every option that has come forward would have a negative impact on public transport usage in Inverclyde and would reduce services from Inverclyde to Glasgow.

I have a meeting with the Strathclyde Partnership for Transport about the issue on Friday, but surely any proposals or projects that come forward, whether from SPT or anyone else in the country, should add to public transport usage; they should not be at its expense.