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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 April 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 2, we are considering one instrument, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instrument subject to Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Does the committee wish to note that the issues raised by the committee with the Scottish Government on 9 December 2024 on the previous draft of the instrument, which was withdrawn, have been addressed to the extent necessary in the relaid draft instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I am certainly not advocating an Elon Musk-style approach, with chainsaws and the like. I am making the point that the figure of 5.8 seems quite a low number.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is helpful.

In paragraph 59, the report states:

“The change in emphasis across these approaches makes it difficult to determine the baseline for reform”.

There is a lack of clarity with regard to what the baseline is. In managing any reform, it is necessary to understand what changes have been made against the baseline. What is the baseline? Are you looking at a particular year as the baseline?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Good morning, everyone. Paragraphs 18, 21, 22, 23 and 24 certainly provide a very helpful backdrop to how the Scottish Government actually operates when making financial decisions. Paragraph 23, in particular, says that

“Budget decisions the UK Government makes in areas of tax and spending that are devolved to the Scottish Parliament directly affect the funding available to the Scottish budget.”

Earlier, you spoke about the significant shocks that have happened with regard to the in-year activities that have taken place—you mentioned Covid and high interest rates, although I noticed that you did not mention Brexit and its economic effects.

This morning, we have also read the reports about the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer’s potential additional funding cuts, which clearly will have an impact on what the Scottish Government can do and might end up having to deal with.

That is very much a backdrop. In relation to your actions and activities, the public sector and public services reform have been spoken about for quite some time and you have touched on some elements this morning. I am genuinely interested in getting a bit more of an understanding of the progress on improving the governance processes for any reform.

11:15  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 80 says:

“In our view, the Scottish Government structures are not designed to support cross-sector working.”

I am keen to try to marry that up and understand it in relation to any progress on the development of the monitoring framework for the public service reform agenda.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will read out the final sentence of paragraph 72 for the Official Report:

“The key governance forums for the PSR programme did not regularly discuss the progress of individual workstreams and it was not a standing item on their agendas. This was a gap in the scrutiny and governance of the programme.”

Do you recognise that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 71 says that the public service reform strategy and governance unit is made up of 5.8 full-time equivalent civil servants. Is that enough people to undertake that important role?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

I genuinely recognise that your position is top level and that you deal with overarching strategic activities. I also genuinely do not know the answer to this question. In the civil service, is there an in-built process that allows the people who are doing the day-to-day jobs across the whole public sector to input suggestions, which can then be discussed?

Going back to Jamie Greene’s comments about areas in which there has been public investment, quite frankly, I think that there are examples where, if folk on the ground had been listened to, some of the problems and additional cost would not have happened.