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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 April 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under item 3 we will continue taking evidence as part of the committee’s inquiry into framework legislation and Henry VIII powers.

I welcome to the room Finlay Carson MSP, convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Rural Affairs and Islands Committee and Kenneth Gibson MSP, convener of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Joining us online are Mike Hedges MS, chair of the Senedd’s Legislation, Justice and Constitutional Committee, and Sir Jonathan Jones KC, senior consultant at Linklaters LLP.

Witnesses should not worry about switching on their microphones, because that will be done for you. If you would like to come in on any question, please raise your hand or indicate that to the clerks. It is no problem at all if you do not want to answer all the questions. We plan to spend around an hour on questions today.

The written evidence that we have received so far has been very helpful and our two previous evidence-taking sessions have also been enlightening. I invite the witnesses to share some of their experiences of engaging with framework legislation and their reflections on the main scrutiny challenges of doing so. I know that the Finance and Public Administration Committee has highlighted the issue of the financial cost of bills and that the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee has considered a couple of different definitions of “framework”.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Kenny Gibson is about to leave the meeting. Kenny, is there anything that you want to put in the record before you go?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you for your time, Mr Gibson.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have one final question, which is on other Parliaments. We have reached out to contact other Parliaments, and we have a meeting tomorrow morning with one of the state Parliaments in Australia. This is probably a question for Jonathan Jones in the first instance, although I am happy for other colleagues to come in if they have comments.

Are there any examples that the Scottish Parliament and, potentially, other Parliaments in the UK could examine with regards to the use of framework legislation and Henry VIII powers? Clearly, they will not be called Henry VIII powers, but are there any positive models of scrutiny to consider?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments not subject to Parliamentary Procedure

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 6, we are considering two instruments, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments not subject to Parliamentary Procedure

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

The second item is to decide whether to take agenda item 7 in private. Are members content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Framework Legislation and Henry VIII Powers

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Mike Hedges wants to come in. I will then hand over to Jeremy Balfour.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

Yes.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a couple of very brief questions on some issues that came up earlier, to get a bit of clarity. In your main report, which was published in October, at paragraph 25 on page 15, you touch on

“the loss on BAE contracts”.

Bearing in mind the earlier questions from Jamie Greene regarding the future and the business plan for the yard, I would assume that there would be further contracts included in that. Can you tell the committee what the financial loss was on the BAE contracts in the past?