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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 March 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instrument subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 2, we will consider one instrument, on which an issue has been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instrument subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is the committee content with the reasons provided by the Scottish Government for its failure to comply with the laying requirements?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 16 of the briefing touches on the fact that accessing ASL can require a diagnosis by a specialist before support can be provided. Will you provide a bit more information and detail on how that impacts the broader understanding of ASL provision in Scotland?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

First, I will just make you aware that I chair the cross-party group on visual impairment and I am the deputy chair of the cross-party group on dyslexia.

I found the briefing fascinating. It certainly highlighted a few different areas for consideration, to say the least. I have been working with a local additional support needs group for the past nine months, so that has helped to frame some of my thinking about the briefing.

The first issue that I picked up on is the bullet point on annually published data in the recommendations. My first consideration of that was that it might lead to an unintended consequence of having league tables that people would look at and use to pit one local authority against another.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

One key point that constituents consistently make to me is that every child with an additional support need is different. You can say that about every child, of course, but when it comes to attempting to catch the data that is missing, I can understand why there are gaps. It will be very difficult to be accurate about that. Therefore, I appreciate that there are gaps, and I appreciate, too, the challenges that are faced by local authorities in trying to get that data. Getting a solution in this area will be difficult, to say the least.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you—that would be helpful. I appreciate the caveat that every country will have its own methodology and education system.

I now want to look at paragraph 46 onwards. Earlier, you touched on exhibit 5 on page 23 of the briefing, which illustrates the huge rise in the number of classroom teachers supporting ASL. For me, though, paragraph 50 is crucial as we look ahead and gives people a lot more food for thought with regard to where we go.

I am keen to find out whether you can provide more detail on the factors that might explain the increase in ASL support being provided by teachers since 2019. How much of that is due to improved data recording or increased awareness, and to what extent do the data gaps affect the Scottish Government’s ability to make informed decisions about resource allocation and staffing?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Finally, are you confident that mainstream and special education have the capacity to accommodate the increase in demand for ASL support?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

The briefing highlights the disparities in the likelihoods of different pupils requiring ASL, with boys, pupils in deprived areas, and secondary school pupils being the ones most likely to need support. Although that also focuses on pupils from deprived areas, the five local authorities that were sampled would not be considered to be among the most deprived areas of Scotland.

The briefing says that the data that was provided does not provide clarity about the reasons for those disparities in relation to deprivation.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Is any information available from, say, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg and so on?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you. Would it be useful for local authorities and the Scottish Government to make that point about diagnoses clearer at the beginning of every educational term?