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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Thank you very much, convener. Thanks, too, for the build-up earlier.

I want a couple of points to be clarified before I get into the main thrust of my line of questioning. At a meeting of the NZET Committee in early January, Jim Anderson spoke about a lessons learned document that was to be published by the end of January. This morning, there was some dialogue about documents. Is that the same document, or are they separate? Clearly, the lessons learned from the MV Glen Sannox and the MV Glen Rosa projects are hugely important.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

If possible, yes.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Yes. That is helpful.

My second question goes back to the points about Mr Tydeman. At the same meeting of the NZET Committee, at column 37 in the Official Report, Kevin Hobbs was asked questions regarding the agreement to second Andy Crossan to Ferguson’s. Mr Hobbs referenced you, Mr Dishon, and said that you questioned him. We have information in the section 22 report, from paragraph 29 onwards, as well as the information from Mr Tydeman, which was touched on earlier, in which he says that the arrangement was

“approved by the chairman ... at the time.”

I accept that that was not you, Mr Miller.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

According to the information that Mr Tydeman sent, the revised contract up to £54k was in June 2022.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Okay.

Clarity is lacking regarding the five-week holiday period, which has been touched on, so I have some questions about that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I was going to finish on this point, if I may.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is no problem. There was such a dearth of apprenticeships over many years, so there is a gap, as we all know, in relation to young people coming into the business. The point about keeping people in the business and about work is absolutely crucial.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

With regard to the board, in your time as chair, has meeting every two months been enough?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

The Ferguson’s business plan refers to a direct award of the small vessel replacement programme. I wanted a direct award, and I think that we all wanted that but, obviously, the Scottish Government did not do that, because of legal advice on the legislation that is in place—the UK Subsidy Control Act 2022. Was it wise for the business plan to refer to a direct award for the yard to do the work?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

With regard to the condition of the yard, I have been in it many times over the years, and I think that it is fair to say that it was a working museum. The condition that it was in due to the complete lack of investment for many years made it a relic of a bygone age, to be quite frank. Notwithstanding the investment that has gone in and which has been touched on today, including the £14.2 million in next year’s budget and the £9 million being put aside from that, it is fair to say that additional and on-going investment will be required to bring the yard to a place where it can compete globally to win work. Would that be something that you would consider?