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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

No—okay.

Exhibit 4, on page 30, was helpful.

I will talk about something that is not any Government or council’s fault; it is a business decision. EE has left Greenock, shut down its plant and call centre and moved all its staff up to Glasgow. It is a seven-day operation. I know folk who work for EE who could use public transport to get to work in Greenock but now have to use a car because of the time it takes to travel to Glasgow, particularly at weekends, when less public transport is available.

In preparing the wider report, was any consideration given to business requirements and decisions that have an effect on car usage?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Yes.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

A few years ago, I was at a meeting of one of the local community councils, and there were local authority councillors there, too. When a question came up about this particular proposal, one of the councillors—who is now retired—said, “The trunk road’s not a problem for the council to solve; it’s a problem for the Scottish Government to solve,” rather than taking a holistic approach and thinking, “If this goes ahead, what is the impact going to be on the existing infrastructure?” I would suggest that that exemplifies what Ashleigh Madjitey just said about a lack of leadership.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Sure. Regarding paragraph 92’s first bullet point on equalities, have you had any dialogue with ScotRail about its disability access work?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

If someone buys a ticket to use a train, they purchase the ticket, but part of that also covers the cost of accessing the rail, because Network Rail is a separate organisation.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I will ask about a different area in relation to paragraph 16: train travel. When the report was being put together, was any analysis undertaken of the true cost of train journeys and train fares?

Network Rail is still reserved to Westminster. However, the cost to ScotRail of accessing the rail will clearly add to the cost of a ticket. If Network Rail were to be devolved, that could have a positive impact in reducing the cost of tickets.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

You reference a cross-Government plan in paragraph 17 of your report. Is that only within Scotland, or is it UK-wide?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 4, we are considering seven instruments, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Does the committee wish to draw its correspondence with the Scottish Government to the attention of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, for its information?

Members indicated agreement.

10:02 Meeting continued in private until 10:13.  

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instrument subject to Made Affirmative Procedure

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 2, we are considering one instrument, on which no points have been raised.