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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

The reason why the material was not collated as part of the work around the NIF is that it was not possible to do that during the period of the pandemic.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

We have looked carefully at what schools can publish, given the implications of Covid for that. I hope that the committee will appreciate that there were understandable reasons why some of the material could not be delivered. Of course, again, we have the material from our stakeholders that is being looked at in this regard, as well as material from the Scottish Qualifications Authority that relates to secondary schools.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Convener, you have frozen on my screen. I do not know whether the problem is at my end or at the committee’s end. I do not know whether anyone else on the committee can hear me, but I have lost the convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Certainly.

As I was trying to say to the convener, we have more teachers now than we have had since 2008. We have seen that addition in the teacher census that came out. We know how much funding we put in—that is the £145.5 million—and we know how many teachers that should employ. As I said, that is 2,500 teachers and 500 support staff. That is what I am looking to see a change in.

As I reiterated to the convener, there may be changes to that, because local authorities may decide to vary the numbers between teachers and support staff. We cannot put an exact figure on that, because we are not dictating to local authorities how the money should be spent. Quite rightly, it is up to local authorities to determine local need.

That is certainly the aspect that I am looking at. I know what funding went in, and I know what that funding can produce. We will keep a close eye on the figures to ensure that that is what the funding actually delivers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

A recent survey by the Educational Institute of Scotland showed that this has been an exceptionally difficult time not only for teachers but for other school staff, too. This is a very difficult time for everyone as we go through the pandemic. Teachers have had to adapt very quickly to what has been happening, which has been exceptionally difficult. I pay tribute to them. We have taken teacher wellbeing very seriously and have invested £2 million in that. We will continue to ensure that there is support from Education Scotland for teachers, because we recognise that this is a very difficult time for them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

It is a bit early for us to be able to determine the impact that the money has had, but we are keeping a close eye on the situation. When the figures have been updated through the teacher census, we will be able to determine whether that is happening.

That is certainly the clear wish and encouragement from Government and, to be fair, local authorities are picking up on that, but the figures will not show up until the next teacher census.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

I am certainly happy to take that away and see what can be done. It is one of the challenges that the education budget presents. A lot of the education budget sits within the local government budget, as well as in other Government portfolios, most obviously the finance and economy portfolio, which particularly impacts on skills. I would be happy to report back to the committee on that and to point it in the direction of that spend if that would be helpful, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

We are keen to gather the correct data. In many ways, this points back to some of the initial points that the convener made about gathering the correct data so that we know what the outcomes are from the educational spend that goes in.

The short-life working group is a response to the recommendations from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, which said that we needed to see what more could be done to consider the other three capacities within curriculum for excellence, on which we do not currently have the same level of data. We have a wide range of other surveys, such as the health and wellbeing survey, that paint a picture of young people’s progress.

I am sure that the committee will come back to this area at some point in the future. I am happy to provide an update on the work around data that is being done in the short-life working group and on where it is going once we reach a point at which decisions and recommendations have been made.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

With the greatest respect to Willie Rennie, I do not recognise or accept the figures that he has used. The 2022-23 local government settlement is £12.5 billion. That is fair, given the most challenging of circumstances. The figures that have been pointed to about cuts have been selective and misleading, as they do not take account of the complete funding that goes into local government.

When it comes to education, I point to the facts that the Institute for Fiscal Studies has calculated that school spending per pupil is higher in Scotland than it is in England, that we have provided extra resources to local councils, and that 2019-20 was the fifth year in a row in which there was a real-terms increase in local authority education expenditure.

With the greatest respect to Mr Rennie, I do not accept the premise of his question, and I propose—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Shirley-Anne Somerville

Again, with the greatest respect to Mr Rennie, I do not accept the figures that he is using. The local government—