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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

I see no reason why we should not be using waste heat from a facility that already exists. Waste heat is a resource that, at the moment, is going to waste.

Separately, quite unconnected to the specific policy of heat network targets, the Government has an approach on incineration that aims to move away from the development of new incinerators. However, the use of any source of waste heat from an existing facility—whether it is energy from a waste plant, a data centre or an industrial site—makes a valuable contribution by putting heat into a heat network.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

I am sure that it is a sincere question, but I think that it is one for colleagues whose remit and portfolio is around circular economy and waste management, rather than one that is about the setting of a heat network target.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

I would like to see ambition coming from local authorities and, indeed, other bodies such as social landlords, which would see connection to a heat network as something that is in the interests of their tenants as well as their business model. If we do see that level of ambition from public bodies, including local authorities, it will contribute very substantially to meeting the 7TWh target.

As for some of the consumer protection issues that Sarah Boyack quite rightly raises, they are, as we are all aware, reserved, but the recent legislation and the appointment of Ofgem to its role will go a significant way towards addressing them. I very much wish that we were able to legislate for those matters here. As things stand, we are not, and we therefore need to work with the UK Government, which is what we have been doing.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

As we have discussed in the evidence session that we have just held, the Scottish Government has consulted widely on a number of options for this target. Not only is it a legal requirement that we set a 2035 target, it sends, I believe, a very positive signal to the industry that we are serious about the development of heat networks.

We could have set a very stretching and much more aspirational target. I think that the target that we have set is more achievable; it still shows an aspiration to grow heat networks significantly in Scotland, but it is achievable. The target is consistent with the advice that we have had from the UK Climate Change Committee and consistent with the position that was widely supported in the consultation.

I will also mention that the business and regulatory impact assessment that has been provided suggests that the cost of meeting the target that was set in the Scottish statutory instrument could be up to £6.2 billion and that it is likely that that cost will be shared between the public support that has been made available and private investment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

Yes, £300 million of public funding.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

Once again, I would say that we have consulted widely on a range of evidence-based targets. The target that we are setting was widely supported in the consultation. It sets out strong growth in the heat network sector, which we believe not only sends a signal about what we intend to achieve and builds confidence among investors but represents an achievable target that will help to decarbonise Scotland. I genuinely hope that, as we develop policy and the wider heat in buildings approach, members across the chamber will recognise not only the opportunity but the necessity of decarbonising Scotland’s heat.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

The heat networks that exist at the moment—some are district networks that serve multiple buildings and others are communal networks that serve multiple customers in a single building—are found in a range of urban and rural settings, including in some island communities. It is clear that there will be a high level of potential in dense urban environments such as Glasgow, but that should in no way inhibit the development of networks in other parts of Scotland where they represent the most suitable approach to decarbonisation. That is why we are asking all local authorities to lead on the development of the LHEES. It would be wrong for central Government to say, “We’re going to decide what is appropriate in each local area.” Local leadership is necessary if we are to achieve this.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

As I mentioned in my opening remarks, we already have the heat network support unit and the heat network fund. The unit is providing pre-capital support and the fund is providing capital support.

On the question about when this will happen, it is already happening. Local authorities are producing their LHEES and we completed the first national assessment report some time ago. Local work is being done to develop the LHEES and they are coming in local authority by local authority. I think that they are all expected and due in by the end of the year. Is that correct, James?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

A range of discussions have taken place not only with individual potential investors—the Scottish Government has an investor panel that advises it—but through the green heat finance task force. As the committee knows, that has now been meeting for some significant time. Its first report will be due out very soon, alongside the imminent consultation on the heat in buildings proposals more generally. The expectation is that the first phase of that task force report will focus on individual approaches and that the second phase report will look at the more communal, area-based approaches, which might include greater focus on heat networks. A significant amount of work is happening in that area.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Patrick Harvie

Yes. The legislation that was passed in the previous session of the Scottish Parliament to get the work under way was done before we knew that the United Kingdom Energy Act 2023 was coming, so we have taken account of some of the changes that took place in that. The committee will be very pleased to know that there were some areas where the Scottish and UK Governments were able to work together on useful changes to that energy legislation, in particular in dealing with some of the consumer protection issues. However, some other changes require us to perhaps reconsider some aspects of how we approach the implementation of the Scottish heat networks act. For example, in the light of the UK legislative changes, we will consider our approach to permitting and consenting and ensure that we have got the balance right. Over the course of time, there will no doubt be other legislative changes.

A critical thing that we are still awaiting from the UK Government is the rebalancing of electricity and gas prices. Whether the current UK Government makes good on that or whether we have to wait on a successor Government, we know that that is one of the critical issues that will spur not only the viability of decarbonisation of heat but its attractiveness. For example, as we decarbonise existing heat networks, some of them will shift over to using devices such as heat pumps as one of their energy sources. If those are using electricity rather than gas, that is great to decarbonise those existing networks, but the rebalancing of prices will be one of the things that are critical to making that viable and attractive to customers.