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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

Depending on the classification of the data that you send, an investigation by the DWP will then be triggered.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)

Good morning to the witnesses. The report states that 127 public bodies participated in the 2022-23 NFI exercise, compared with 132 public bodies in 2021. Do you know why there has been a slight reduction in the number of public bodies taking part?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

You talked earlier about mandated and voluntary organisations, so I take it that there are some mandated organisations.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

Okay. In that case, their participation is voluntary.

We note that, although you are working with several interested housing associations, it is unclear how many will participate. How many have volunteered to participate in the next exercise?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

I have a final question based on that response. For how long have you been trying to get this GDPR issue sorted?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

I am a bit confused by that. If you counted something on one occasion, why would you think that you did not need to involve the same sort of bodies the next time?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

Okay. To what extent do you consider that all public bodies and private organisations that are in receipt of public money should participate in the NFI, in line with the recommendations that were made by our predecessor committee in parliamentary session 5?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

I can see the argument with regard to the difficulty in including somebody who has been contracted to do work with public moneys. However, for example, no universities have volunteered in the 2024-25 NFI. Why would that be the case? They are publicly funded.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

Just for my knowledge as much as anything else, can you tell me how GDPR impacts on your seeing whether fraud has taken place?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

James Dornan

My question was not really aimed at whether you were doing something right or wrong. The issue is that, under current circumstances, some public bodies are mandated to do this task, while others that access public funds are not. There are gaps that mean that one public body has to give this information, while another publicly funded organisation does not have to.