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Good morning to the witnesses. The report states that 127 public bodies participated in the 2022-23 NFI exercise, compared with 132 public bodies in 2021. Do you know why there has been a slight reduction in the number of public bodies taking part?

You talked earlier about mandated and voluntary organisations, so I take it that there are some mandated organisations.

Okay. In that case, their participation is voluntary.

We note that, although you are working with several interested housing associations, it is unclear how many will participate. How many have volunteered to participate in the next exercise?

I have a final question based on that response. For how long have you been trying to get this GDPR issue sorted?

Why would you include them in one report and not in another?

Who decides that it is okay for universities to choose whether to volunteer to participate? As public bodies that are paid for by public funds, why should they not be part of this exercise?

I suppose that that is the question that I am asking: why are universities not part of the mandated group?

So it is a case of the dots not really being joined up, then.

It is based on something that Jamie Greene talked about. Please correct me if I am wrong—I might have got it wrong, because I did not think that you did this—but I think you said that, on housing benefit and in one or two other cases, you match the data sets and, where you identify fraud, you tell the DWP about the discrepancies.

I am a bit confused by that. If you counted something on one occasion, why would you think that you did not need to involve the same sort of bodies the next time?