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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

James Dornan

Yes, that is fine.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

James Dornan

I was expecting to come in later, convener, but I am happy to ask my questions just now. They are on theme 3.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

James Dornan

I am not suggesting for a second that you do not support the principle of a national care service, but surely you have the opportunity to sell what you are asking for. I do not think that the Government is looking for a prescriptive method of providing a national care service. It is looking for something like what happens in the national health service. If ministers are held responsible for something, they have to have a general overview of what is happening in the service, which does not happen just now because of the way that it is broken up between local and national Government.

Surely it is for you and the other organisations to point out the failings. The Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care will appear before us next. I will take on your role and ask him some of the questions that you have asked us. Surely, you can see that there is an opportunity for you to get the kind of care service that you want, which will give parity of esteem across the country.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

James Dornan

I go back to what Rachel Cackett and Frank McKillop were talking about. Frank has kind of answered my question. They spoke about the problems that they had, and said that they wanted co-design to be in at the front. Frank went on to talk about some of the issues that had arisen with self-directed support and so on.

Clearly, the bill is a way of trying to effect everything that should have happened in the past but did not happen very often across the country, because of local authorities, as opposed to national Government. It might be a way of ensuring such equality of commitment across the country. I accept that the financial situation differs in different parts of the country, but maybe the bill is a way of resolving that issue as well.

In particular, Rachel Cackett, do you not agree that the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018 showed that co-production and co-design after the introduction of a framework bill could be the way forward? Mr Feeley certainly seemed to think so. Why do you not think so?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

James Dornan

People usually try to silence my microphone rather than turn it on.

I come back to Tracey Dalling’s analogy about the house. Is the bill not more like having an opportunity to purchase something and then design it once you see the space and where the opportunities are?

On the issue that was just mentioned—the 61p mileage rate versus 45p mileage rate—surely a national care service would create the opportunity to work closer together and resolve some of those issues. I completely agree that people doing the same job in the same area should not be getting different terms and conditions.

There has to be a long-term aim of ensuring that there is equality. That might not exist now, but surely there is an opportunity when you co-design. The Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018 is a good example. Co-design after that legislation was passed worked in that case. Why will it not work in this case?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

James Dornan

We heard from Mr Poolman about barriers that prevent workers from working together closely. I was a member of a community health and care partnership in Glasgow 11 or 12 years ago, and I saw the same problem, not between the workers but between the people who held the power, who found it very difficult to trust the workforce to work together. Might a national care service help to smooth over some of those problems, which still exist between health and social care, even though things have got better in the past 12 years?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

James Dornan

That is not what has happened here.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

James Dornan

I do, but I want an answer.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

James Dornan

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

James Dornan

I suggest that the example that you used in response to Stephanie Callaghan shows the benefits of centralisation. However, what are the potential risks associated with centralisation of accountability?