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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

James Dornan

I bow to the experts on this, but I suppose that part of the danger is that, if everybody has access to independent advocacy, those who need it the most might lose out. Is that a fear?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

James Dornan

No, I am talking about the NCS.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

James Dornan

Therefore, the national care service might give you a platform to espouse what you are doing as being a way for other parts of the country to do things and for the national care service to work on the same sort of basis.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

James Dornan

Let us work on the basis that we will all be in the room. What would you like to see in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

James Dornan

I have a question for Rachel Cackett. You have mentioned self-directed support a couple of times now, Rachel, and it seems to me that you are using it as an example of why we should not be going down this current route. Surely, though, a national care service with a uniform roll-out of self-directed support would be a good thing.

The problem with self-directed support—as I remember very well, being a Glasgow MSP—was that some local authorities used it in a completely different way from others. It was a great policy that was spoiled by patchy roll-out across the country.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

James Dornan

It was interesting to hear what Rachel Cackett said. The most important line was that this should be not top down but bottom up. There are perhaps some concerns from witnesses about not so much whether there is a need for reform as whether reform should be now and what it should look like.

Let us work on the basis that the likelihood is that the bill will pass and all the organisations here will be involved in the co-design. What would you like to see in that co-design? Surely this is an opportunity to create the national care service that you would like to see.

I will go to Geri McCormick first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

James Dornan

Most of the stuff that I was going to ask about has already been covered, but I just wonder whether any of the panel members have been involved in the co-design activities that have been held to date. If so, how did you find them? If not, would you be keen to be part of them? What would you like to see from those activities?

If you do not mind, I would like to start with Fanchea Kelly.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

James Dornan

Thank you, convener, and apologies for the earlier confusion.

I welcome the witnesses and thank them for being here. It is always nice to see Susan Douglas-Scott.

You have been providing the service for 10 months now. What would you say were the one or two things that you have learned in that first 10 months that you would take into the future? I suppose that Emily Johnston might be the one to answer.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

James Dornan

I am sorry. The screen froze and I was not sure whether Emily had finished speaking.

Susan, you have been part of a number of organisations that have worked with the Scottish Government. Could you give me an overview of how things have been going during the past 10 months?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Benefits Independent Advocacy

Meeting date: 24 November 2022

James Dornan

That is a positive response.

I have one final question. Do you plan to include in your future annual reports more detail about the use of the service in Scotland, or do you think that the way that is being done now is fine?