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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

It may be a disappointment in some senses, but that is sometimes the way that these things fall, I am afraid.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I would not like to think that the nation’s security relied on a bingo drive. We could make some of those representations and incorporate them into what we send to the Scottish Government. The charity is obviously a very successful one that is doing great and good work. It is looking for a model—as we have said, it is long past time for that, as it has sought and been assured that something might be done. I think that we would like to see something actually being done.

Do members agree to keep the petition open on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Are colleagues content to proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

That brings us to agenda item 3, which is consideration of new petitions. Before I introduce our new petitions, should anyone be looking in to follow our proceedings and see how the committee considers their petition, I highlight, as I always do, that before we consider a petition, we always do two things.

First, we ask the Scottish Parliament information centre, the Parliament’s independent research body, to give us an impartial view of the issues raised by the petition. Secondly, we write to the Scottish Government for its initial view. We do both those things, because, historically, they were the first two things that we would otherwise have decided to do and it expedites the process and consideration of the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

PE2155, lodged by Daniel Taggart, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to improve the support available to people trying to give up e-cigarettes and vapes by expanding access to nicotine replacement therapy and stop-smoking medications to include e-cigarette users and vapers.

The SPICe briefing for this petition explains that while e-cigarettes and vapes are currently considered lower risk than traditional tobacco products, they still pose health concerns and that further research is required to study their long-term impact on health.

The most recent data for Scotland shows that 12 per cent of adults reported using vapes or e-cigarettes in 2023, compared with just 10 per cent the year earlier. The national health service guidance for pharmacists on public health services states that e-cigarette users should be able to access licensed smoking cessation products, including nicotine replacement therapy. However, the guidance cautions that many e-cigarette products contain nicotine, which means that switching to NRT could create issues with determining the correct dosage.

Additionally, for patients who try to quit non-nicotine e-cigarette products, reintroducing nicotine through NRT would be inappropriate. For those patients, the guidance recommends referral to non-pharmacy specialist smoking cessation services, which may include telephone support, one-to-one support or group support.

In its initial response to the petitioner, the Scottish Government mentions the “Tobacco and vaping framework: roadmap 2034”, under which it has committed to improve information about vapes and to increase awareness of avenues of support for stopping vaping or smoking. The Government has also committed to continue to fund and support cessation services. Despite that, the quit your way Scotland service, which is also referenced in the Scottish Government’s response, appears to be geared primarily towards those who are trying to quit smoking. In fact, with caveats around evolving research on their safety, vapes are being suggested as one of the few possible options to help people who wish to give up smoking.

Do members have any suggestions for action?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Our next petition is PE2061, which was lodged by Laura Johnston-Brand and calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to help prevent coercion of vulnerable, frail, and debilitated individuals by requiring solicitors to have a medical professional co-sign legal documents confirming the capacity of the individual.

We last considered this petition on 30 October 2024, when we agreed to write to the Office of the Public Guardian, the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges and Faculties in Scotland, the Law Society of Scotland, and the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission. We have received responses from all of them.

The Office of the Public Guardian makes it clear that it will not comment on matters of policy but notes that the proposals in the petition could impact the provisions for powers of attorney, guardianships and intervention orders and access to funds authorisations under the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000. Those provisions include the submission of medical reports for consideration by the judiciary or the OPG.

The Scottish Legal Complaints Commission has indicated that it receives a small but steady number of complaints each year that involve concerns about the steps that have been taken by a solicitor to assess capacity, although it was not able to identify cases alleging coercive behaviour. None of the service complaints that have been investigated by the SLCC have been upheld. Conduct complaints about solicitors are not handled by the SLCC but are passed to the Law Society of Scotland.

The data from the Law Society of Scotland shows that the overall number of applications that were made to the client protection fund increased between 2020 and 2024, although the number of paid claims remained roughly the same. The LSS did not attempt to identify capacity-related claims, but it might be able to provide further data on whether claimants were individuals, solicitor firms or others.

The Academy of Medical Royal Colleges and Faculties in Scotland noted concerns that had been raised by doctors in both primary and secondary care regarding inconsistencies in relation to how lawyers involve medical teams to support capacity assessment when working with clients who are also in-hospital patients. It also noted that, as long as assessment of capacity is undertaken by qualified individuals, they do not need to be medically qualified, highlighting concerns from primary care doctors that a requirement for a medical assessment in all situations might prove burdensome, time consuming and potentially more expensive. However, on balance, the academy indicated that it was broadly supportive of the petition at this time.

Finally, we have also received a submission from the petitioner, who points out that the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000, which provides the current framework, was subject to a review in 2024, with the consultation analysis being published earlier this year. She highlights that the majority of responses agree that there need to be relevant changes to how power of attorney documents are obtained and by whom, and also that further mandatory attorney training was needed.

In the analysis of the consultation, the Scottish Government stated that the responses would inform the development of a bill amending the adults with incapacity legislation. Although the proposed bill was part of the programme for government that was announced last September, it was not included in the updated legislative programme that was published last month.

Do members have any comments or suggestions for action?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I think that Mr Torrance was quite right in his recommendation, but that the issue that Mr Ewing raises stands out slightly, and that we would be advised to find out more. We more or less accept that the petition has run its course insofar as we can act, but it is important to understand why the bill has just disappeared from the Government’s programme, so we would like to ask about that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Do we want first to establish whether the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee would be prepared to take on the petition? [Interruption.] The clerk tells me that they have agreed to the inquiry, so I think that we can proceed on that basis. Are members content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We come to PE2138. Colleagues will be aware that they have fresh submissions before them. The petition was lodged by Dr Ian Hume McKee, who, you might remember—well, no, only Fergus Ewing, David Torrance and I might remember—is a former parliamentary colleague of ours. He stood down in 2011, I understand. I remember Dr Ian McKee—I can remember some very florid chamber contributions and sparring engagements in times past. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to make the design and signage for publicly owned buildings accessible for people with colour blindness. Good morning, Dr McKee, if you are joining us.

The petitioner highlights the difficulty that he and other colour-blind people experience when dealing with a world in which information is often provided in a colour-coded way. He points out that hospitals use red and green lines to direct patients, and graphs and Government documents use colour to differentiate trends. The SPICe briefing states:

“While there are regulations and guidance on inclusive access to public buildings, there is limited specific guidance on addressing the challenges associated with colour blindness.”

The briefing outlines the requirement to make reasonable adjustments for disabled people, as set out in the Equality Act 2010. However, SPICe notes that it is not clear whether colour blindness would constitute a disability under the act, as it would likely depend on the impact that the condition has on an individual.

We have received a written submission from our parliamentary colleague Gordon MacDonald, which highlights the challenges that are faced by colour-blind high school students. He shares an example of a student in his constituency who was unable to answer a higher geography exam question because it could be answered only by identifying colours on a map. He explains that the question was worth 20 out of 100 marks, so the student was left at a serious disadvantage.

10:15  

I mentioned at the beginning of this agenda item that we seek an initial view from the Scottish Government on each new petition. However, I was disappointed that the response from the Scottish Government on this petition, which was due in mid-February, was only very recently received. We now have that response before us, and I wonder whether the committee would like to consider how best to proceed. If responses to our inquiries are not timeously responded to, it merely delays our ability to represent the petitioner who has brought the petition before Parliament, which is our responsibility and our endeavour. We understand that it can take a little time to consider a petition, but it is very unhelpful if we do not have the response in due course, such that we can consider the detail of the petition timeously.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Jackson Carlaw

It must have been quite tricky for any higher geography student suddenly discovering that part of the exam was conditional on being able to identify colours, because they would be quite concerned. The suggestion that colour blindness might not actually be a disability of any sort is therefore also a cause for concern.

Are colleagues content with Mr Golden’s suggestion?

Members indicated agreement.