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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Okay. What you conclude from that is that you feel that the evidence base is subjective rather than objective and that, for want of a better description, NatureScot is cherry picking in where it is looking to find its evidence, rather than drawing that evidence out from the broadest possible base.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mhairi Dawson, I will follow up on one of your responses to David Torrance, when you got almost quite emotional and passionate about the division that the issue has created. Will you illustrate how that has manifested?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are members content with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

What evidence is available on the environmental and socioeconomic impacts that the existing national parks have been able to generate? That seems to be one of the issues relating to the parks. Did any of the evidence that existed inform the development of this proposal? Where there was no evidence, where was the information about and support for the proposal drawn from?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Only as you feel necessary.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I wonder whether colleagues would be content for us to frame this with slightly stronger language—to say that the committee is concerned about what appears to be growing evidence of a lack of urgency behind the will to take forward the issues. Given that we all support a preventative health agenda, the provision of defibrillators not only saves lives but is, potentially, through preventing the subsequent need for hospital admission and other interventions, a preventative measure that we should encourage. Taken together with the evidence that we heard on the petition in relation to schools—that Scotland seems to be lagging significantly behind the rest of the UK, for whatever reason—it seems that the impetus is just not being put into this programme in Scotland. Are members content to frame our questions in that way?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

The committee is persuaded that there are issues, and I am not satisfied that just being told that everything is as it should be by all the organisations that currently operate matters is sufficient comfort to the committee.

Is the committee content to keep the petition open and to pursue the avenues of inquiry that we have discussed?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

The next continued petition, PE2039, which was lodged by Amy Lee, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to pay student nurses for their placement hours. We last considered this petition at our meeting on 20 December 2023, when we agreed to write to the Nursing and Midwifery Council, the Royal College of Nursing and the National Union of Students. The Royal College of Nursing’s response emphasises the importance of student nurses having supernumerary status, as that means that they must not be counted as part of the workforce that is required to provide patient care. The submission states that, for that reason, the RCN does not support students being paid while on clinical placement.

In a 2022 RCN members survey, 46 per cent of respondents said that, on their last shift, nursing students were being counted as staff in terms of the numbers required to provide patient care, and the submission states that, although RCN Scotland does not support student nurses being paid while on clinical placement, it is clear that the Scottish Government must ensure that nursing students have appropriate financial support to allow them to prioritise their education, cope with the rising cost of living and complete their studies without falling into financial hardship.

The RCN’s report on nursing student finance said that 66 per cent of respondents had considered dropping out of their course due to financial concerns, and it recommended that

“Scottish government must implement a cost-of-living increase to the nursing student bursary and associated allowances, and establish a regular review to ensure the bursary increases in line with the cost of living.”

Do colleagues have any suggestions for action?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Mr Kempe, I have not had a chance to hear from you. Would like to say anything in relation to our commentary?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I am speaking in an entirely personal capacity, but we have had NatureScot before us in relation to other petitions and I have found it to be deeply unconvincing and totally unpersuasive. When I hear NatureScot being mentioned, it does not sing to me as an organisation that is always in touch with the aims of petitions. That is my view; I cannot speak on behalf of the committee when I say that.

Mr Lucas, is there anything that you would like to contribute?