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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
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  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

In that case, thank you very much for your evidence. I am sure that your colleagues were providing moral support to you this morning, but thank you all very much.

If members are content to consider this evidence later, we will have a short suspension just now.

10:19 Meeting suspended.  

10:21 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are we content to close the petition?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I thank Caroline Gordon for bringing the petition to us. The issues might well persist, and I very much encourage her to monitor events and potentially lodge a fresh petition in the next session of Parliament, when there might be a different perspective abroad as to how such matters might be addressed.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

PE2109, which was lodged by Brian Shaw on behalf of the Ness District Salmon Fishery Board, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to create a moratorium on any further development of pump storage hydro operations on Scottish lochs that hold wild Atlantic salmon until the impact of such developments on wild Atlantic salmon migrations is understood.

We have been joined for consideration of the petition by our colleague Edward Mountain. Good morning, Edward.

The petitioner feels that the economic case has been made for pump storage hydro but that the environmental impacts have been glossed over, denied or ignored. The SPICe briefing explains that operating a pump storage project requires planning permission or a section 36 energy consent from, respectively, the local authority or Scottish ministers. The Scottish Environment Protection Agency and NatureScot, as statutory consultees, would also be expected to comment on any planning or energy consent application in respect of impacts on hydrology, the water environment and nature conservation. The briefing states that the Scottish wild salmon strategy notes pressures on wild Atlantic salmon, including obstacles to fish passage that can be created by infrastructure or changes to the water.

The Scottish Government’s response states:

“The legal position of the Scottish Government is that processes under planning would examine the relevant environmental impacts and reach a conclusion, on the basis of evidence and facts relating to the particular development.”

Edward Mountain, do you wish to address the committee?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Please do.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Well, I am a pensioner.

We will have a brief suspension, because a veritable galaxy of parliamentary collegial talent is about to join us for the next petition.

11:03 Meeting suspended.  

11:04 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

We will keep the petition open and seek that information.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. The next public meeting of the committee will take place in a fortnight’s time on Wednesday 11 December. We move into private for agenda item 4.

11:34 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I see that colleagues have no follow-up questions. Do you have anything further to add, cabinet secretary?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

What are the trigger mechanisms here? According to the consultation, the core funding provided by the Scottish Government for national parks was £20.9 million, and the core budget of the Galloway national park might not be as large as that required by the other two parks. However, given the context of finite resources, what will be the trigger mechanism that will determine for you whether a national park is the best course of action, compared with alternative ways or routes by which, as Maurice Golden and others have suggested, some of the benefits that it might generate could be achieved?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Our next petition is PE2116, lodged by Ellie Harrison on behalf of Better Buses for Strathclyde, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to improve the process for implementing the bus franchising powers that are contained in the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019 by introducing, without delay, the regulations and statutory guidance that are required to give bus franchising powers full effect; amending the 2019 act to remove the requirement for proposed franchising frameworks to be approved by a panel appointed by the traffic commissioner, and instead empowering regional transport partnerships to have the final say on approving proposals; and providing additional funding to help support regional transport partnerships in preparing franchising frameworks and assisting them with the initial set-up costs once frameworks are approved.

We have assembled a galaxy of parliamentary talent this morning. I welcome to the meeting Neil Bibby, Patrick Harvie, Mark Ruskell, Graham Simpson and Paul Sweeney. We had also hoped to have Katy Clark with us, but unfortunately she is unable to attend.

For some of you—I am looking at Mr Sweeney—it is a return to familiar territory. I think that we have also had Mr Ruskell at the committee before, but it is Mr Harvie’s first appearance—during my tenure, at any rate.