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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Colleagues, I am looking at both the petitions and I think that we are now driven in a similar direction as to how we might take them forward. We are going to keep both petitions open.

10:30  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are we content to keep the petition open and proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I do not know whether my own declaration was one of a personal interest, but, if it is seen as such, it is on the record.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Item 3 is consideration of new petitions. As always, I say to those who might be tuning in or joining us for the first consideration of their petition that, ahead of so doing, we invite the Parliament’s independent research body, the Scottish Parliament information centre, to offer the committee a briefing on the issues raised. We also ask for a preliminary view from the Scottish Government. We do those two things because, historically, when we considered petitions, those were the first two things that we did and we then had to wait until the next meeting before we took any further action. The current approach allows us to progress with a little bit more speed.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

It is generous of you to spoil all our fun. I am sure that we might want to consider some of the issues raised in the petition in the first instance while you go on your next trip to area 51 and your various monster quests.

Are there any suggestions on how we might proceed?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

We have suggestions from Mr Golden and that suggestion. Perhaps we should write to SEPA asking for the make-up of the local information advisory groups. We might want to hear a bit more about that. We might also want to hear what action SEPA is taking to ensure that the knowledge of local communities is properly included, given the issues that have been raised in other petitions as well. Are members content that we proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I have a final question before I ask for follow-up questions from colleagues. This is called the Galloway national park, but as we have heard from people in South Ayrshire, it will go a bit wider than that. Are you satisfied that the scope of the national park is fully appreciated by all communities?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

It was.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I wonder whether I can come back on that, cabinet secretary. In your evidence, you have made various references to the debate that took place in the chamber. That will include what I said, too. I suppose that I just went along with the hype; the background noise that the debate was being held against was that these things had been a wonderful, magnificent achievement and that everybody was absolutely aglow with their success. As such, it never occurred to me to think that there might be an alternative view. How very naive of me, you might say; nonetheless, that was the kind of atmosphere that was attendant on the debate.

Therefore, I have been quite surprised by how, in the evidence that we have taken, people are talking about the issue as being divisive in communities and becoming really quite an ugly stain when it comes to engagement between different organisations and people within the proposed landscape. As a result, although you can point to debates in the chamber, I do not know that they should stand as the benchmark against which all subsequent decision making must stand. Does it not alarm you that such a culture seems to be growing within the proposed landscape that you are operating in? Given that it is, how do you address it?

10:15  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Agenda item 2 is consideration of continued petitions. Our first petition is PE2089, lodged by Deborah Carmichael on behalf of Lochaber National Park—NO more group. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to suspend any action to create further national parks in Scotland, instruct an independent review on the operation of the current national parks, including assessment of the economic impacts on businesses and industries within the two parks—including, but not exclusive to, farming, forestry, crofting and angling—and to conduct a consultation with representatives of rural businesses and community councils in order to help to frame the remit of said independent review.

At our previous meetings, we heard from a variety of organisations in favour of and opposed to the creation of a new national park. We have also heard from NatureScot, which is currently undertaking its role as reporter for the consultation on the proposed new national park.

Today, we are joined by Mairi Gougeon, who is the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and the Islands, Brittany Brown, who is policy lead for new national parks, and Lisa McCann, who is head of biodiversity, at the Scottish Government. Good morning and welcome to you.

I invite the cabinet secretary to say a few words—this is an exception—and then we will move to questions.