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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I would still like to hear from some of the other local authorities that we have not yet heard from, because there are some big local authorities involved in all of that as well.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Do members agree to let the clerks sound out whether there is any indication that one of the appropriate subject committees might be able to take on the petition and do more work with it?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
The next continued petition is PE1870, lodged by Edward Fowler. It calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to introduce legislation requiring teachers of autistic pupils to be appropriately qualified to improve educational outcomes.
The petitioner points out that special conditions apply to the employment of teachers of hearing impaired and visually impaired pupils, noting that those teachers are required to obtain appropriate qualifications. The petitioner suggests that the same principles should be applied to teachers who work with pupils with autism.
At our previous consideration of the petition, on 1 December 2021, we agreed to write to teaching unions, and we have since received responses from the National Association of Schoolmasters Union of Women Teachers and the petitioner. The NASUWT notes that initial teacher education is just one element in supporting the wellbeing of pupils and that improved initial teacher education on additional support needs
“will not provide a quick fix on its own to guarantee that appropriate ASN support is available to all schools, teachers and learners across Scotland.”
It notes that initial teacher education already covers a wide range of issues and, in order to add in a new topic, consideration would need to be given to the question of which existing topic to remove.
The submission highlights pressures on teachers arising from an on-going reduction in specialist support for pupils with additional support needs, including in relation to managing challenging behaviour in the classroom. In his submission, the petitioner points to a wider issue: he believes that pupils are becoming overwhelmed in mainstream classrooms and are unable to cope. The petitioner explains that many teachers are not sufficiently trained to manage children with autism and co-occurring conditions and that, without the right supports and strategies, that can trigger challenging behaviour.
The petitioner believes that, at the moment, the system is failing both the teachers and the children.
Do any members have comments to make?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I see that members have no other comments or suggestions to make. We could write to the Scottish Government to ask whether it intends to undertake a child rights impact assessment of initial teacher training and the continuing professional development for teachers to ensure that the needs of all children with additional support needs, including those with autism, are being met, and to produce guidance for teachers along the lines mentioned by Alexander Stewart. Do colleagues agree to that approach?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I might take issue with the Scottish Government’s justification for not taking the action that is called for, but it is clear that it does not intend to take it. In the absence of any willingness on the Government’s part to consider the petition’s aims, I am minded to endorse the suggestion that we close it. Does that have the committee’s support?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
I thank Monica Lennon very much. We will keep the petition open and see where we go from here based on any work that might be done elsewhere in the Parliament.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
PE1904, which was lodged by Christina Fisher, is on changing Scots law to disqualify estranged spouses from making claims on an estate. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to define in law the difference between a legally married cohabiting couple and a legally married non-cohabiting couple for the purposes of ensuring that an estranged spouse cannot inherit their spouse’s assets.
When the committee considered the petition previously, we agreed to write to the Law Society of Scotland, the Family Law Association, the Faculty of Advocates and the Scottish Law Commission. We have now received some detailed submissions from the Scottish Law Commission and the Law Society of Scotland, which have been very helpful. Members have had sight of both submissions in their papers for this meeting, so I do not need to repeat what they say in detail, but I will mention some general points.
The Scottish Law Commission explains that
“There is no legal definition of ‘estrangement’ for the purpose of Scots family law ... When spouses and civil partners separate, there is no change of legal status”
until
“they divorce or their civil partnership is dissolved”.
It also notes that
“many couples who separate reach agreement on financial matters before”
that divorce or dissolution.
The Law Society of Scotland advises that, in its response to the Scottish Government’s 2019 consultation on succession law, it suggested that a solution might be to use
“the test of ‘living together as husband and wife/civil partners’ before the surviving spouse could inherit”
where there was no will to
“resolve current anomalies”.
The current submission acknowledges that that test might be unfair to couples who are separated due to one partner being in long-term care.
The Law Society suggests that there might be
“merit in considering the potential introduction of a time-requirement before excluding a survivors’ prior rights and legal rights”.
The submission also notes that it is open to anyone
“to alter the terms of their will following a separation should they wish to do so”.
It further notes that, although there may be situations in which a deceased person
“had no longer intended or wished for a separated spouse or civil partner to benefit from their estate, but they had not amended their will accordingly ... such ‘hard cases’ would not merit altering the law”,
given the impact that that might have more widely.
There is recognition of the issue, but there is also a clear view that tackling it could have much wider ramifications than the injustice that it would potentially address would merit. Do colleagues have comments or suggestions?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Agenda item 2 is consideration of new petitions. The first new petition is PE1923, which was lodged by Peter Watson. It calls on the Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to change the Scottish higher-rate tax threshold to £37,501, aligning it with the rest of the UK—it invites the committee to set the Government’s budget, in part. That threshold was correct at the time when the petition was submitted.
The petitioner believes that that alignment should happen due to the recent uplift in the block grant for Scotland. He notes:
“the increased revenue to the individuals and families will be recycled through the economy creating growth, whilst rewarding hardworking people.”
The Scottish Government explains in its submission that, although the UK Government announced what was described as a significant increase in the block grant for Scotland, it believes that there has been a real-terms cut in day-to-day funding in each year of the spending review.?The Scottish Government goes on to state that it does not support the action that is called for in the petition as it believes that it would provide a tax break to higher-income earners while disproportionately affecting those on lower incomes.
Do members have views on the petition?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Is it a big class? Are there a lot of people in it?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 9 March 2022
Jackson Carlaw
Is it a big school with lots of people?