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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 March 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

The next petition is PE1870, which relates to ensuring that teachers of autistic pupils are appropriately qualified. The petition was lodged by Edward Fowler, and the committee last considered it in March. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to introduce legislation requiring teachers of autistic pupils to be appropriately qualified to improve educational outcomes.

We have had lots of correspondence, and the committee asked the Scottish Government whether it intends to undertake a children's rights impact assessment of initial teacher education. In response, the Scottish Government stated that it does not consider that such an assessment is required at this point, due to the on-going work to improve relevant teaching support and guidance. That work includes the General Teaching Council for Scotland’s revised national standards, which specifically reference autism; a suite of guidance on the additional support needs hub; and the establishment of a working group to develop new guidance to minimise use of restraint in schools.

Therefore, the Government believes that it is taking a number of initiatives that address the points that the petitioner gives as substantive causes of concern, and it does not believe that it needs to take the mandatory route that the petitioner is looking for. Do members have any views on that?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I am mindful of scottishathletics having highlighted the potential challenges of implementing a ban. Such things are said very often, but bans are sometimes very difficult to apply. However, I am inclined to support Mr Stewart’s suggestion. Do colleagues agree with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

At the same time, we could ensure that the petitioner is aware of the consultation that is under way. The fact that the Education, Children and Young People Committee is considering a similar petition allows us to close PE1927 at this stage. Are members comfortable with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

In a previous life, I used to deliver lorries to customers—but not the largest ones. I did not have to have a heavy goods vehicle licence, but they were big enough. I always thought that the view from the cab was fascinating.

Mr Whittle gave us a figure about a transference from the Cairnryan route to the Dublin to Holyhead route. Did I hear you say that it was something like 6 per cent? Is that traffic that would previously have gone on the Cairnryan route that is now going on the Dublin to Holyhead route?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Perhaps I could ask for advice from the clerk. We could advise the petitioner about the trials and the fact that Scottish patients will be eligible. I am told that we do not know from the response that we have received how the petitioner could seek to make himself available.

I crave the indulgence of the committee and ask that we hold the petition open one more time. I would like to see whether we could find out from the Scottish Government how someone would go about making themselves available, to establish whether they would be eligible to participate in the trials. It would be one thing for us to tell the petitioner that he could do so, but it would be more helpful for us to be able to tell him how he could so. Subject to our having that information to augment our response to the petitioner, I would be happy to close the petition at that point.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

They do. If the petition is closed, the petitioner can come back after a year if they feel that nothing has advanced in relation to the petition during that period of time. However, obviously, we will have a clear idea from the Government about the route that the petitioner could take, and we have a clear direction that it does not intend to take, or is unable to take, any further action at this time, as doing so would contravene a law over which it does not have particular responsibility.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

PE1944, which has been lodged by Alan Ross, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to enforce the engine idling ban and take action to introduce instant £80 fines for offences; reclassify idling as a high traffic offence; legally oblige local authorities to enforce the engine idling ban; create contact points for public reporting; and increase anti-idling signage in public spaces.

The SPICe briefing explains that statistics on engine idling enforcement action are not routinely published but that FOI requests indicate that fixed-penalty notices are rarely, if ever, issued.

In response to the petition, the Scottish Government states that the current approach to enforcement is fit for purpose and proportionate, with penalties being viewed primarily as a deterrent. The response states that local authorities undertake educational and awareness-raising campaigns to prevent idling and target enforcement in areas of known concern.

The petitioner believes that the response is inadequate and does not address the petition’s proposals or reflect the gravity of the issue. He points to the rise in the number of vehicles on the roads since the legislation was updated, in 2003, and to the health risks associated with inhaling car fumes. He also raises enforcement issues and stresses the climate impacts.

In my experience, since 2003, a lot of cars now cut out automatically to prevent engine idling. The manufacturers have incorporated into the mechanics of more recently produced vehicles an engine idling cut-out facility.

Do members have any views on the petition or on what we might do next?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

Does anyone else have any thoughts?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

PE1865, which was lodged by Roseanna Clarkin and Lauren McDougall, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to suspend the use of all surgical mesh and fixation devices while a review of all surgical procedures that use polyester, polypropylene or titanium is carried out and guidelines for the surgical use of mesh are established.

I am delighted that we have Katy Clark with us. Welcome, Katy. I will invite you to contribute in a moment.

We last considered the petition on 8 June, when we heard evidence from Maree Todd, Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport; the chief medical officer, Professor Sir Gregor Smith; and the senior medical adviser, Terry O’Kelly.

Following that meeting, we received two new responses from the petitioners, who both remain unconvinced that the Scottish Government has listened to the concerns raised through the petition. We have also received a submission from James Young, who shares a powerful account of the impact that a mesh implant had on his quality of life.

In a moment, we will discuss in the round the evidence that we have received, in addition to the evidence that we heard from Shouldice hospital in Canada. Before we do so, I invite Katy Clark to speak to us in relation the petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Jackson Carlaw

I suggest that, when we write to the RAC Foundation and the Road Haulage Association, we ask them what information they have on the reimbursement or restitution that affected individuals actually get. That is a material consideration. Are members content to do that?

Members indicated agreement.