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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 October 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Fergus Ewing, it was at your instigation that we spoke with the two panels of people with experience of all of this last night.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Did you recognise that sentiment about the overwhelming nature of that situation for the individual—the responsibility that, in the absence of advocacy, people feel falls on them to progress things on their own behalf?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

The recommendation that we write to the minister is sensible, particularly given that we have this new economic impact report, with its projection of billions of pounds from which the economy could benefit. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

What has been fascinating through the two evidence sessions this morning is the contradictions. In response to Alexander Stewart, there was an acceptance that we are not where we should be and that we are still failing. From Fiona McFarlane, there has been real enthusiasm about the commitment from so many individuals to deliver on the Promise and about the good work that is being done.

From Joanne McMeeking, we heard that there is a very progressive structure, but its effectiveness is patchy within authorities and departments, and that a big review is not what is needed. Rather, what is needed is a sustained commitment to make all the bits come together and happen.

Also, in response to Fergus Ewing’s questions there was appreciation that the situation is not necessarily assisted by employment funding models, which make it difficult for some people to see the attraction in jobs.

I was about to sum up, but I am wondering whether Carol Mochan has a question. I have omitted to ask whether she would like to ask one, so I will come to Carol before I rush to a peroration.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

That is great—thank you very much.

10:30  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Those who are following our proceedings this morning will know that we just heard from the petitioner, Jasmin-Kasaya Pilling, and Laura Pasternak from Who Cares? Scotland. As trailed, we now move to a round-table discussion, and I am delighted to welcome Joanne McMeeking from CELCIS, which is the centre for excellence for children’s care and protection; Megan Farr from the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; and Fiona McFarlane from The Promise Scotland.

We continue our consideration of petition PE1958. We had hoped to be joined by representatives of the Scottish Throughcare and Aftercare Forum, but it is unable to meet us at this time.

We move straight to questions. You listened to the evidence that we heard from Laura Pasternak and Jasmin-Kasaya Pilling, and there were positives in all that as well as the issues that arise from the petition, which they identified as being the real problem. How are aftercare and continuing care currently working in Scotland, and to what extent did you recognise and empathise with the issues that were identified a few moments ago? Any one of you can volunteer to jump in.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Jasmin, in your opening remarks, you movingly referred to the fact that some young people who were not able to navigate the right pathway ended up losing their lives as a consequence. What circumstances do you think prevailed on them that led to that being the case? Was it frustration, bewilderment, a loss or what?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

Essentially, you are saying that you had a robust experience; that it was made so not so much by design but by accident and chance, through the advocacy that was extended to you because of connections through family and friends at that time; and that, for many other people, that is just not their experience.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

It is an overwhelming experience for someone who is vulnerable in the first place, and for some, it becomes too overwhelming.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Jackson Carlaw

When you say that the provision is patchy, do you mean that provision is patchy between geographical areas or that, within any geographical area, the provision can be patchy?