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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

I can really only say that the Government has not reached a decision about a timescale that I can give you today, but we are working our way through the consultation. I have mentioned some of the issues that it is important to get right and some of the unintended consequences that we want to avoid, but I cannot give you a timescale beyond that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

As I said, I cannot answer direct questions about the Housing (Scotland) Bill—you would need to ask another minister to answer them—but you have raised important questions. The Government is alive to the need to balance the rights of tenants and consumers with the need for investment in the system. That is the focus of that bill.

The purpose of the new EPC system is not to force, or to require by law, landlords or others to make changes, but we hope that it will assist people in moving towards them. Ultimately, it is in everyone’s interests for people in Scotland, whether they are house owners or private or social tenants, to be warm and healthy, and we have work to do to get to that point. As I said, the purpose of the EPC system is to provide information to people, because it is right that potential tenants of a private landlord are aware of how warm their house is likely to be.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

Ensuring confidence is very important, which is one reason why we are not just changing the information that is available to people but seeking means to ensure that it is accurate and to eliminate anything fraudulent from the system. For instance, as I mentioned, we are reducing the validity of EPCs from 10 years to five years to make them more accurate. We are also introducing tighter governance arrangements for EPCs and measures on the competence and training of EPC assessors who operate in Scotland. Legitimate concerns were raised, so we are ensuring that we do both those things.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

As you mentioned, we allocated £1.3 billion in funding. To be candid, I would say that the elephant in the room is that, some months ago, the Scottish Government faced quite a task in reaching what was euphemistically called a path to balance. We are now in a better position, but there was a point at which getting there did not look simple or straightforward. The member will be very well aware of why. However, we have, as I said, committed that money, and we are confident that we are going to make use of it. It is also important to say that all the money has been committed to energy and efficiency projects, which will directly benefit people by addressing fuel poverty and making their houses more sustainable.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

Those are all important. I mentioned that reliability and public approval of the technology has climbed and that people are more and more confident about it. It is also important to say—as, I think, I mentioned at the beginning—that no Government can do the work on its own. Government can be a catalyst: it can provide support, grants and loans, but it cannot claim to take on all responsibility for people replacing heating systems for ever more—no Government anywhere in Europe would make such a claim. What the Government can do, as I said, is provide encouragement and support, ensure that the technology is advanced and out there, and that the people who need it are helped.

I can bring in others, if anyone wants to add to that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

I cannot comment on the example from Canada. However, when I was in Shetland, I met people from a business who pointed out that, for a small building firm or contractor in an island setting, one of the huge advantages of having a van, as you mentioned, is that, otherwise, they might have to put their staff up in a hotel or somewhere else for a week so that they can attend a course for three or four days. Therefore, a remote van provides considerable advantages to small contractors in islands and other very rural areas.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

It is difficult to tell why that is the case if councils have not responded to us or given us the information. I will ask my officials whether local authorities have given reasons for that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

We are always looking to provide more support and information. For example, we have a van that goes around Scotland to provide advice, support and assistance to small companies that want to get involved in installation of heat pumps. It travels to many rural areas to ensure that information is available to businesses and the sector. Much of the work is about raising awareness among the wider public and providing information and facts about newer or different forms of heating for houses. It is also about providing clearer information through EPCs and about all the other efforts that I have talked about. Ultimately, it is a shared enterprise between the Government, businesses, householders and landlords—all four have to combine their efforts to get information out there.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

I would be very supportive of that. I know that Angus Robertson has mentioned the issue in the context of Historic Environment Scotland and promoting skills, whether it be for stonemasons or for people who can slate traditional roofs. Those skills are very important, and a lot of effort has gone into promoting them—quite successfully.

The other side of the issue is about making sure that the information—again, I come back to EPCs—takes account of whether a building is of a vernacular or unusual type. Work is going on to ensure that we do just that.

With your permission, convener, I will bring in somebody who can tell us more about how your point fits into the issue of EPCs.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

We are confident that we can meet the targets that we have set ourselves in the long term, but there is no doubt that challenges exist in the here and now, and I have mentioned some of the measures that we are taking to address them.

I will bring in officials to talk about this year’s figures.