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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 January 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

I will start with a question that I asked the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government during the budget statement.

John Dickie, you said that the £126 million has been taken out of social security, but the budget line shows that £152 million is being transferred into social security, because staff are being transferred into Social Security Scotland. We are spending a lot of time talking about what to do with the £126 million, which is not insignificant, but the social security budget line for the organisation is going up. Do you have an understanding of how it is justified that the budget line for the organisation is going up while money is being taken out that should, as you are arguing, be in there to increase the child payment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

I turn to the Fraser of Allander Institute—although other witnesses can comment—because it has done some work on fairness around the child payment to do with the point at which the income that a family is receiving is comparable to somebody who is in employment. If my understanding is correct, part of the issue is that universal credit tapers but we cannot taper the Scottish child payment. The Fraser of Allander Institute’s submission states:

“There are also fairness considerations surrounding the possibility that a family earning more than an otherwise identical counterpart could end up with a lower total income.”

Do you want to expand on the issues around that, Dr Randolph?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

We should not forget that the parents of the majority of children in poverty who receive universal credit are in work—I think that that is correct.

Does anybody else want to comment before we move on?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

Do you think that people have sufficient understanding of that? Do they get enough support to think through what the impact would be? Often, it can be difficult for a family to reach the point at which it is receiving a suite or package of benefits. If a family is stable and secure, and if they feel that they are managing on their current income, it can be quite a leap to move beyond that. They would have to consider what they were going to lose or retain. Is there enough support for people to navigate that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

Is it something that we need to be mindful of? Although the LSE report said that concerns around incentives and disincentives were overplayed, some of the detail described families reducing their hours or resisting taking a pay increase because it would affect that benefit.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

Professor Sinclair, I think that it may have been your own commission that did some analysis of the increase in the child payment to £40 for babies—those under one year old—and said that it would have a positive impact on those families but a negligible impact on our child poverty targets. That could just be because it is such a small group of people. Do you want to say anything further on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Two-child Cap

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

I have one final question for Charis Chittick. You talked about targeted support for priority children, and some of the figures show that children of single parents and children in ethnic minority families are at the sharper end. One solution is that we increase the overall envelope so that there is more money; that is, we do not make any changes within the current system. Another option is that we make changes within the current system to rebalance resources more to where they are needed. I will understand if you argue for more money within the system—that is your job. However, are there any changes that we could make to the current system in relation to that focus? I think that absolute poverty figures have come down faster than relative poverty figures. Stephen Sinclair might be able to clarify that. How do we make sure that the children and families who really need support are receiving that support?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Scottish Broadcasting

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

Mr Smith, do you want to add anything?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Scottish Broadcasting

Meeting date: 15 January 2026

Claire Baker

Yes.