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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
No, the position can be pretty flexible, as you will be aware. There could be negotiations between officials and between ministers over that period, and the position could change. Although I cannot think of any examples off the top of my head, I think that our position has changed with regard to a couple of LCMs because we have negotiated, the UK Government has accepted our position and we have moved on. There have been other times when the UK Government has not accepted our position and we have had to say that we are not happy with the LCM.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
I think that you are being a wee bit unfair. I do not think that that is the case. That might be the political narrative, if we started to go down the route of a political argument but, within the process itself, there have been plenty of times when the Government has made its position clear to say that we are supportive of the LCM and want to make the changes.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
Not too late.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
There is not a trend—to use today’s buzzword again—towards our having more delegated powers in legislation. What tends to happen with various bills that involve co-design, for example, is that we need to ensure that the bill actually does what we want it to do.
In the previous session of Parliament, both you and I were on the Social Security Committee, which considered the bill that became the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018—I do not know whether you were on the committee at that point. That bill process was a perfect example of how to make it work in such a way that we could deliver what we said that we would.
We can sit here and talk about legislation all day, for hours, but the public believe in delivery. How we went about the bill process for the 2018 act is a good example. In fact, our former colleague on that committee, Professor Tomkins, has said that the work that we did on that bill was a perfect example of how the committee was involved. He used that as an example recently, although he was on the Social Security Committee at that time, so I do not know whether he had to declare an interest, given that he had done some of that work.
There are certain times when we do that, when the bill delivers what we want it to do and the process is flexible for us all.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
In answer to your final question, we will work with the committee to do whatever we have to do to do the work of Parliament, as we always do. I do not agree with your point, but I take on board what you are saying. I argue that, in the example of the Social Security (Scotland) Bill, the secondary legislation and the work with stakeholder groups is what made the difference.
When a broad church of stakeholder groups is put in one room, there will always be those who feel that they are not getting their point across. On the whole, that process happens in order to give us flexibility. I argue that it gives flexibility for those who are involved in, or on the receiving end of, the delivery of the process, because they are the ones who are consulted with.
I take on board the workload issue. We will consider it for a future chat with the committee and see how that might look further down the line. It is a difficult issue to deal with, but we will try to ensure that the committee feels that we are taking on board what you are saying. I am happy to have a look at the issue.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
I get it.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
I still believe that it is more of a political tension, but that is my personal view. Mr Balfour, you and Mr Mundell have expressed your view on that point. I think that we are going to have difficulty agreeing on it.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
I ask Steven MacGregor to answer that.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
As you know, convener, it is important that we have a relationship with the committee’s clerks so that we can work together and talk over any issues in order to move things forward.
Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
George Adam
Personally, I would not call that a trend. There have been perhaps a couple of issues that we have had to deal with and, as always, we will work with the committee to fix them, but I would not say that it is a trend.