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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 December 2024
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Mr Mountain, we are going through a process. I have accused the UK Government of putting things before this Parliament at the very last minute, telling us how we should take things forward and assuming that we would do so. For me to make a solid commitment on any aspects of the bill at this stage would be to do likewise; I would not be giving the Parliament and you, as fellow MSPs, the opportunity to engage with the process.

I am saying at this stage that we will consult, go through the process and consider the matter ourselves.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

We have had a number of bilateral meetings with the Westminster Government and with my Welsh colleague. My Welsh colleague and I are of the opinion, in respect of the Electoral Commission, that there is work that we could do on our side that might be a lot better than what Westminster has proposed. Westminster seems to see the Electoral Commission almost as the enemy, while I and my Welsh colleague are trying to find a way forward by working with the commission. We have, for example, suggested that the Scottish Parliament and the Senedd might have a role in relation to the commission, but that suggestion has been left to one side and has not really been accepted.

That is at the heart of what we are trying to discuss. My Welsh colleague and I have been very open and up front in the discussions about what we want and what we want to do, but we have come to the same conclusion: we would rather have a process ourselves. The Scottish Parliament and the Senedd should make the decisions.

We have recently had arguments in the chamber about the idea that there seems to be a push back from Westminster against the devolved nations. That is not a political statement; it is purely a statement of fact. We are trying to ensure that we get the best under devolution and that we retain the powers that we currently have. We have been pushing with regard to the Electoral Commission, and we have serious concerns about what is almost a threat from Westminster to the commission.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

We are proposing to bring forward our own legislation to ensure that we decide what happens in devolved elections. The process in general will cause confusion when there is a UK election. As I said in my statement, an unfortunate point about the UK Elections Bill process is that we were given what was published at the very last minute and were expected just to toe the line. My Welsh colleague and I believe that that is not showing respect to the devolved Administrations.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

In the process that we have been going through, we have tried to work with the Electoral Commission to find a cohesive way forward. As I said earlier, one of my concerns is that the approach seems to be an attack on the Electoral Commission. It feels as though the UK Government does not want the positive engagement that we all want. The Electoral Commission is there to do a job that probably helps us rather than hinders us and makes everything open and above board, so I cannot see why any Government, regardless of its party colour, would not want to ensure that the commission has an independent view and is able to do its job. I do not see why anybody would have a problem with that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

I am happy to have given you my standpoint already, in response to your earlier questions. For more technical answers, it is probably better to go to Iain Hockenhull.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

I hope so.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Mr Mountain asked for my personal opinion and tried to get information about how things will go with regard to the bill. We disagree on some fundamental issues and that is one of them. I do not think that it is right, Mr Mountain.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

We are considering the process and ideas all the time. Nobody has suggested that to us yet. If the suggestion is made, I will consider it.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

Iain Hockenhull can respond to that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Elections Bill

Meeting date: 25 November 2021

George Adam

On the Scottish elections, that is exactly what we want to aim for. We want to ensure that they are open and free and that changes are not made by funding from elsewhere.

In my exchanges with Mr McLennan, I did not use the term “dark money” but I expressed severe concerns about money from abroad. The bill provides the opportunity for someone who has not been involved in the electoral process, who has not been a taxpayer of the UK and who has not been in the country for 14 years to influence a UK election if they have the financial ability to do so. That is a concern. It is not transparent, as Mr Doris says. It is not what we are all about here, because the Scottish Parliament has always been about ensuring that the elections are fair and above board.

I have concerns about allowing someone who has not been involved in the electoral process or even lived in the country for 14 years being able to engage and spend money in a UK election.