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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

George Adam

On framework bills and the type of bill that we choose, there is no exact science. Nine times out of 10, it will be the traditional method, but on this occasion it is a framework bill because this is a more radical and new way of looking at an issue. It is such an important issue—we are talking about a national care service, which will touch so many people’s lives. It is important to ensure that we have that level of engagement.

This is a different way of thinking and a different way to look at how we design something, because scrutiny will come from this committee as the process goes forward. It will come from other committees, as well—the last that I heard was that there are about seven committees feeding into the process for the national care service bill. Once we get to the stage where we are pushing it forward, we will be pretty confident that we have something that is robust enough and that will deliver what people want. That is the most important thing for us.

With regard to the type of bill that we will use in future, it will depend on the circumstances. Do you think that I will be coming forward with hundreds of framework bills as of today? No, I will not; which bill we use will depend on the circumstances and how we can deliver the legislation to ensure that it can do what it needs to do. At the end of the day, it is not about us but delivering for people out there in the real world.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

George Adam

It really depends on—I am trying not to be political—

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

George Adam

Yes. I could say that I can write to you after the summer recess, which could mean after this summer recess, or it could mean the one following that.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

George Adam

Yes, we are. I am laughing because I had to ask a couple of weeks ago who my counterpart is. We have been ensuring that we do that because we know how serious the situation is. We have been trying to reach a position where everyone is working together. Although there are policy differences, we are trying to make this work.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

George Adam

When I first got involved in Government, all the acronyms and so on that are used came as a bit of a shock, so I am aware that we need to ensure that things are in plain English. I do not want to get to a place where I understand Government lingo but we are not getting our point of view across.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

George Adam

The figure would probably be about 15. With some UK Government situations, one of the challenges is how long it takes for information to get to us, which slows up the process. However, on the whole, we are probably looking at 15 SI notifications.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

George Adam

As always, there is on-going discussion with the UK Government. An example that I provided earlier is the proposed UK retained EU law bill—in whatever form it takes—which could be a major issue for us. It could have an effect on us and give us problems; we do not know what the bill will do.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

George Adam

During my time as the Minister for Parliamentary Business, there has not been much in the way of co-operation on such issues. It is probably more likely that we will receive information either just before the bill is published or when it is published.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

George Adam

That would make it challenging.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

George Adam

Officials from the UK and Scottish Governments will always be in dialogue with each other. There will be official-level dialogue all the time and dialogue at ministerial level. The difficulty is when it comes to publication of a bill, and we get it at the very last minute. We then end up in a process in which this committee, for example, is rightly waiting for us to give it information. This committee will not be scrutinising the bill in question, but if it were, it would want us to get information to it as quickly as possible so that it could scrutinise it.

At the time same, my officials will need to sit back with the bill. Rachael Rayner will need to make sure that it is legal from our perspective and that it works with Scots law. Gordon Johnstone also needs to go through absolutely everything, and Karen Auchincloss, as head of the Parliament and legislation unit, needs to make sure that we have a spot in the parliamentary chamber to do that.

That all works perfectly when there is respect and we get bills early. I do not know whether it is a new thing, but recently, in my time, we have been getting everything at the last minute. I do not know whether Karen or anyone else can tell us whether there was a “before” time when we might have got things sooner.