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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

The more that I have listened to you talk—we have been doing this for nearly 12 hours now—the more that I have been thinking about whether we are trying to reinvent the wheel. Education Scotland does a lot of this work anyway. Are we not tinkering around the edges to create another body that would do what Education Scotland is already doing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Should something go wrong and the inspector report something, you are accountable to the Parliament. Every one of my colleagues can demand in the chamber that you do something about it. My concern is that, at that point, you could answer any question by saying, “Well, it’s not really my job any more”—basically, telling us to talk to the chief inspector. Is there not a case that you would water down accountability if you supported the amendments from Willie Rennie and Sue Webber?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Ken Muir said that the current processes and systems were robust enough for them to continue in that way. He also said that it would cause further confusion as to what was what and what stood within which organisation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I am just going on the evidence that Professor Muir gave at stage 1. He discussed the benefits of the current framework’s adaptability and suggested that mandatory alignment might create unnecessary rigidity in the qualifications system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Will the minister take an intervention?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

What Pam Duncan-Glancy is trying to do is not a bad thing—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

—and we have all agreed that it is a good idea to try to find the children and young people who we need to help.

You mentioned the evidence that we have received from Mr Dey. It is quite a complex matter. Is the bill the place for addressing it, or is it better for Mr Dey to do something and come back with a complex idea of how we can address the issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I am with Willie Rennie on the idea that the SQA has changed and things have moved on. A lot of what we are discussing and a lot of the amendments are a result of pushback because of the historical position that we have had with the SQA.

With the amendments in this group, I know that you are trying to find a solution to a perceived issue, but is it not too much to create another body or appoint a new individual? I am checking whether this is in the amendments, but would the role be created through the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body? From looking at the amendment, I cannot see that, and I have concerns about how the individual would themselves be scrutinised. They could be so independent that they would be a lone wolf.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

During the bill’s progress through stage 1, I said that the education landscape is already like an MGM musical in full Technicolor—Ross Greer used a similar line the other day. It is massive—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

My point is whether we think that it is right to add another body rather than fix what we have already. The whole idea is about relationships. You cannot legislate for relationships when trying to make things work. I hear what the convener says, but I still feel that this is overlegislating for the sake of it.