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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, Mr Hamilton. The committee is looking not only at the case for creating new commissioners but at the landscape of existing commissioners. I think that you said as much in response to the convener’s questions a moment ago, but your submission says that

“It is a mistake to lump”

commissioners

“together as a homogenous entity”,

because, as you have fairly said, they have very different roles. This morning, we will hear from both you and the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner. In your view, is there any synergy between your work and the work of the Biometrics Commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for that. What you have said is very much in line with some of the evidence that the Finance and Public Administration Committee heard on the matter. The drive to create commissioners was led, to an extent, by people’s frustration about public services. The committee will consider that.

I have one more question, and it is about the location of the office. I know the town of St Andrews well; it is part of the region that I represent. It is a lovely place but a very expensive location for property—some of the most expensive streets in Scotland are in St Andrews. Is St Andrews really the best place to have a public body like yours? Are there not more cost-effective options, even in Fife? I represent Fife and I am very keen that the organisation stays in Fife, but is St Andrews really the best place for it?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That was a helpful overview. I would like to get a better understanding of how the shared service model works in practice, from the point of view of lines of accountability and who pays for what. You gave the example of your media output, which is provided from elsewhere. How does that work in practice in relation to your budget? Do you make a financial contribution to that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is very interesting.

I want to ask you a slightly different question. We are looking at the criteria for creating new supported bodies, which you refer to in your written submission. In that, you stress the importance of objectivity and you say that there should always be a presumption against creating new commissioners. Based on your experience, what criteria should be prioritised when consideration is given to the creation of new SPCB supported bodies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

But, Dr Plastow, you have done very well—you are employing fewer staff than you intended to employ, so you are an exemplar of what can be done.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

There is more to Scotland than Edinburgh.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

To follow on from the convener’s first question, I note that the committee is interested in looking for synergies between the work of current commissioners. We heard from the Scottish Information Commissioner before you. Are there any synergies or overlaps between your work and that of the Information Commissioner?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

Would the same principle apply to other functions, such as finance and HR?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

So, in effect, your budget is top-sliced, and money goes into the central pot.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Murdo Fraser

We explored some of those issues—particularly as they relate to the patient safety commissioner—with the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman when she appeared before the committee two weeks ago.

I go back to your written submission. You say that you would

“encourage the Parliament to put budgetary control measures in place to ensure that the landscape does not grow exponentially over this parliamentary session and beyond.”

Can you expand on what you mean by that?